NCSL

[Anonymous]

No perfect system. CCL Club v Club, NCSL/ODSL allows for independents and lower level clubs, NPL/VPL tries club v club. Just one of those things that isn't going to be perfect for everyone, I'm sure the open system idiot will chime in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No perfect system. CCL Club v Club, NCSL/ODSL allows for independents and lower level clubs, NPL/VPL tries club v club. Just one of those things that isn't going to be perfect for everyone, I'm sure the open system idiot will chime in.

Why wouldn’t they? This is an open forum. You’re an idiot, and you’re chiming in, no?

[Anonymous]

Thinking of NCSL blowouts...NCSL needs to look at teams from clubs with DA when they become U12. For example, let's say Arlington...at U11 Arlington Red and White CCL, Blue team in NCSL and they do well. Now, the DA teams start at U12 and most of the Red and White kids go DA and that Blue team basically becomes the Red team, the Black team basically becomes the White team, and the Gold team basically becomes the Blue team but NCSL still puts the Blue team in Division 1 based on the name of the team and not the quality of the team. Maybe these DA clubs should communicate this to NCSL prior to the division structure being released. Maybe NCSL should realized it without being told. I don't know. This happened with PWSI last year and I think it's happening to Arlington Blue and Loudoun White this year. I just hate to see teams get blown out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thinking of NCSL blowouts...NCSL needs to look at teams from clubs with DA when they become U12. For example, let's say Arlington...at U11 Arlington Red and White CCL, Blue team in NCSL and they do well. Now, the DA teams start at U12 and most of the Red and White kids go DA and that Blue team basically becomes the Red team, the Black team basically becomes the White team, and the Gold team basically becomes the Blue team but NCSL still puts the Blue team in Division 1 based on the name of the team and not the quality of the team. Maybe these DA clubs should communicate this to NCSL prior to the division structure being released. Maybe NCSL should realized it without being told. I don't know. This happened with PWSI last year and I think it's happening to Arlington Blue and Loudoun White this year. I just hate to see teams get blown out.

Shouldn’t the DA cast a wider net than a single team ? If DA was consolidating talent then you might see a couple players from Arlington red make DA, not the whole team. That’s a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thinking of NCSL blowouts...NCSL needs to look at teams from clubs with DA when they become U12. For example, let's say Arlington...at U11 Arlington Red and White CCL, Blue team in NCSL and they do well. Now, the DA teams start at U12 and most of the Red and White kids go DA and that Blue team basically becomes the Red team, the Black team basically becomes the White team, and the Gold team basically becomes the Blue team but NCSL still puts the Blue team in Division 1 based on the name of the team and not the quality of the team. Maybe these DA clubs should communicate this to NCSL prior to the division structure being released. Maybe NCSL should realized it without being told. I don't know. This happened with PWSI last year and I think it's happening to Arlington Blue and Loudoun White this year. I just hate to see teams get blown out.

Very few kids from White joined DA next year in the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thinking of NCSL blowouts...NCSL needs to look at teams from clubs with DA when they become U12. For example, let's say Arlington...at U11 Arlington Red and White CCL, Blue team in NCSL and they do well. Now, the DA teams start at U12 and most of the Red and White kids go DA and that Blue team basically becomes the Red team, the Black team basically becomes the White team, and the Gold team basically becomes the Blue team but NCSL still puts the Blue team in Division 1 based on the name of the team and not the quality of the team. Maybe these DA clubs should communicate this to NCSL prior to the division structure being released. Maybe NCSL should realized it without being told. I don't know. This happened with PWSI last year and I think it's happening to Arlington Blue and Loudoun White this year. I just hate to see teams get blown out.

Shouldn’t the DA cast a wider net than a single team ? If DA was consolidating talent then you might see a couple players from Arlington red make DA, not the whole team. That’s a joke.

No it is not: Arlington, as all DAs, has two teams at the U12 level, which explains why many kids from the U11 Red team make it there.

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:
And then there are "NCSL-only/NCSL-heavy" clubs like FPYC that only field one team per age group (OK, there a handful of exceptions where the club actually fields two or even three teams in a specific age group). While I can't speak for all teams in the club, I want to believe my DD's team is on the decent/strong side for this U11 year. However, we've only been scheduled against the second/third teams of larger clubs like Loudoun, SAC, and McLean. For now, we really just have to wait another season or three for the promotion/relegation process to place us in the most appropriate division. (The girls may get to see how good they can be @ WAGS this weekend, going up against Barca Academy Red, Arlington White, and a western PA squad.)

I don't think there are any serious plans for FPYC to move wholesale to CCL or NPL/VPL, etc., regardless of how competitive some of its teams might be. Our particular coach may have started looking at EDP just for my DD's team, but even that decision may not be made any time soon. From what I think I understand, EDP could be this team's lone option for moving up (beyond NCSL, that is). I can see a few other "small-but-competitive" clubs finding themselves in the same situation.

Are the 08 girls regularly trouncing the opposition? When they start pro/rel it eventually works itself out. My kid is on FPYC's 05 boys Blue team. They started pro/rel in Division 5 and over the past five seasons have methodically moved up the ladder to Division 1. But there are lots of teams that were misplaced in the beginning, one way or the other, and our team has never dominated its division at any point. I think (hope) that the league is slowly realizing that the teams from clubs like Cerritos and Barca compare favorably to the B and C teams from Arlington and McLean, etc. Last season Alexandria's B team was in our Division (D2) and saved itself from relegation only by bringing in a few ringers from the A team for a crucial game.

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:
And then there are "NCSL-only/NCSL-heavy" clubs like FPYC that only field one team per age group (OK, there a handful of exceptions where the club actually fields two or even three teams in a specific age group). While I can't speak for all teams in the club, I want to believe my DD's team is on the decent/strong side for this U11 year. However, we've only been scheduled against the second/third teams of larger clubs like Loudoun, SAC, and McLean. For now, we really just have to wait another season or three for the promotion/relegation process to place us in the most appropriate division. (The girls may get to see how good they can be @ WAGS this weekend, going up against Barca Academy Red, Arlington White, and a western PA squad.)

I don't think there are any serious plans for FPYC to move wholesale to CCL or NPL/VPL, etc., regardless of how competitive some of its teams might be. Our particular coach may have started looking at EDP just for my DD's team, but even that decision may not be made any time soon. From what I think I understand, EDP could be this team's lone option for moving up (beyond NCSL, that is). I can see a few other "small-but-competitive" clubs finding themselves in the same situation.

You just can't know if that squad is EDP ready until you start beating good teams at tourneys. Then yes, I think EDP is your best option. CCL and VPL/NPL are very hit or miss from my experience. Our FPYC team regularly beats those teams at tournaments. Plus, EDP makes it easy for one-off teams to join (vs CCL, which requires your entire club and requires a team at every age group).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thinking of NCSL blowouts...NCSL needs to look at teams from clubs with DA when they become U12. For example, let's say Arlington...at U11 Arlington Red and White CCL, Blue team in NCSL and they do well. Now, the DA teams start at U12 and most of the Red and White kids go DA and that Blue team basically becomes the Red team, the Black team basically becomes the White team, and the Gold team basically becomes the Blue team but NCSL still puts the Blue team in Division 1 based on the name of the team and not the quality of the team. Maybe these DA clubs should communicate this to NCSL prior to the division structure being released. Maybe NCSL should realized it without being told. I don't know. This happened with PWSI last year and I think it's happening to Arlington Blue and Loudoun White this year. I just hate to see teams get blown out.

Shouldn’t the DA cast a wider net than a single team ? If DA was consolidating talent then you might see a couple players from Arlington red make DA, not the whole team. That’s a joke.

No it is not: Arlington, as all DAs, has two teams at the U12 level, which explains why many kids from the U11 Red team make it there.

At the younger pre-DA levels, they just re-brand the red/A team as the DA team. All the teams shift up a slot. B team becomes A team, etc. I think by U14/U15 you start to see much more variety of players displacing the original ASA kids.

[Anonymous]

You could also play up as a team in a year if NCSL's top 08 teams aren't holding up against your team and EDP or other options aren't there.

[Anonymous]

Also with FPYC. EDP is pretty much the only higher league you’d be able to get into, and if I’m not mistaken you have to have won your division.

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:

Are the 08 girls regularly trouncing the opposition?

This particular U11 team is in the 10-team NCSL second division for the fall season. 24 goals for, 3 against (one was an own goal). 5 wins with 3 regular season games remaining, so they're already guaranteed a winning season. But, again, this is a "decent" team going up against second/third teams from larger clubs. First division also has 10 teams, including some ?higher? teams from clubs also represented in the second division (McLean, GFR, for example).

The upcoming WAGS and Bethesda Premier tournaments will show if these girls are on track for a higher level of play.

Also bear in mind that the 2008s bore the brunt of the age grouping change from school year to birth year. Many/most of the FPYC 2008 girls were born in the second half of the year. Any girls born in the first half may have started training with the 2007s (a full year earlier than the 2008s), so some have technically been playing up once the rule change went into effect … with the same amount of experience as the 07s. Those girls just happen to now qualify to play as 2008s as well.

Are the divisions really ranked in the way you say? At U11? I thought they didn't rank them at that point. Agree that it is hard to know at U11 where you stand. I think joining EDP at U11 is personally a bit much; you'd presumably do both EDP and NCSL at the same time, right? I would personally give it a season or two at U12 to see where you really stand.

Not that it really matters, but I don't really understand your point about 2008s bearing the brunt of the age group change. 2008s actually were the first kids not to bear the brunt, as I view it, because they started as U9s with the change. Kids born in the last five months of any older year were disadvantaged in that they have one fewer year of travel play compared to the rest of their age cohorts. My December 05 kid went straight from U10 to U12, playing with Jan-July kids who had been in U11 the previous year. The only way 2008s were potentially hurt is that a lot of the younger 2008s may not have played U9 because travel wasn't really on their radar; under the school year system they wouldn't have been U9s yet.

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also with FPYC. EDP is pretty much the only higher league you’d be able to get into, and if I’m not mistaken you have to have won your division.

That doesn't sound right. I've seen tons of teams go from NCSL Division 1 to EDP in one year.

It's funny in a way. All these teams decide they've outgrown NCSL, so they go to EDP -- to play each other anyway.

Sorry, I should’ve specified. This team was in Division 2, not 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also with FPYC. EDP is pretty much the only higher league you’d be able to get into, and if I’m not mistaken you have to have won your division.

That doesn't sound right. I've seen tons of teams go from NCSL Division 1 to EDP in one year.

It's funny in a way. All these teams decide they've outgrown NCSL, so they go to EDP -- to play each other anyway.

Sorry, I should’ve specified. This team was in Division 2, not 1.

You don't need to have won any division to enter EDP. NCSL and EDP are not in any hierarchy together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also with FPYC. EDP is pretty much the only higher league you’d be able to get into, and if I’m not mistaken you have to have won your division.

That doesn't sound right. I've seen tons of teams go from NCSL Division 1 to EDP in one year.

It's funny in a way. All these teams decide they've outgrown NCSL, so they go to EDP -- to play each other anyway.

Sorry, I should’ve specified. This team was in Division 2, not 1.

You don't need to have won any division to enter EDP. NCSL and EDP are not in any hierarchy together.

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