Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

[GnosticChristianBishop]

Anonymous wrote:

GnosticChristianBishop wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Because of the sacrifice of Christ, God sees only the righteousness of Christ when He looks at us. Our sin has been nailed to the cross with Jesus, and we will never be punished for it.

Spoken like a true immoral coward who would let another suffer for his unrighteousness while ignoring what Jesus taught.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Regards
DL

The scriptures you quoted are referring to the fact that God does not punish children for the sins of their parents.

1 John 2:25
http://biblehub.com/1_john/2-25.htm

Jesus promises us eternal life.

“And this is what he promised us—eternal life.”

Hiding behind your supernatural shield and closing your mind shows how much you fear the truth. Grow some stones and do what Jesus really taught.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

Regards
DL

[Anonymous]

God knew they’d eat it, but didn’t force them to fail and eat it.

He had 2 choices: create man as a robot.

Or, create a man with free will.

He chose the later.

I enjoy debating about the Bible and don’t think your view is correct, but you have every right to believe and express it.

You are extremely rude, speak in an arrogant and derogatory manner- “think before you open your mouth, grow some stones, etc”

That’s pure anger. If I, as a Christian, spoke like that here, I’d be correctly called out for being an a@@hole.

I don’t know why you post, except to be right in your own eyes.

You have no tolerance for those who do not agree with you.

[Anonymous]

I am a Christian minister with a very, very different viewpoint on the Genesis stories. I'm not going to type out a sermon on something so easy to Google. However, for those of you struggling with the idea of Adam and Eve, punishment, good and evil, the fall, etc... I would encourage you to consider that like so many stories in sacred scripture, these should be read metaphorically. There was no Adam or Eve or snake. The story wasn't meant to be read as history. We all know the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf. We understand the meaning of the story. But we know it wasn't meant as a study of wolf behavior. Bible stories have much deeper meaning when read with that awareness.

[Anonymous]

You can believe whatever you wish and I can agree or disagree civilly. Even passionately.

But you call God a murdering prick?

Ok, I have more intelligence than to engage on that level.

[GnosticChristianBishop]

Anonymous wrote:You can believe whatever you wish and I can agree or disagree civilly. Even passionately.

But you call God a murdering prick?

Ok, I have more intelligence than to engage on that level.

No you do not as you are not able to count the bodies and agree.

https://vimeo.com/7038401

You can run but you cannot hide from facts.

Regards
DL

[GnosticChristianBishop]

Anonymous wrote:I am a Christian minister with a very, very different viewpoint on the Genesis stories. I'm not going to type out a sermon on something so easy to Google. However, for those of you struggling with the idea of Adam and Eve, punishment, good and evil, the fall, etc... I would encourage you to consider that like so many stories in sacred scripture, these should be read metaphorically. There was no Adam or Eve or snake. The story wasn't meant to be read as history. We all know the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf. We understand the meaning of the story. But we know it wasn't meant as a study of wolf behavior. Bible stories have much deeper meaning when read with that awareness.

I agree.

A metaphor for what?

Further.

Tell us why Christianity change the moral of the Eden story from the elevation that the Jews wrote into the story to the fall twist that Christianity wrote into it.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/20/comparative-theodicy/

Can I take it that you think Jesus is also a metaphor, and tell us what the metaphor represents?

Regards
DL

[Anonymous]

Why is anyone engaging this Gnostic guy? He seems like a real dbag not willing to engage in a meaningful conversation. Just making rude remarks about others and what they believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is anyone engaging this Gnostic guy? He seems like a real dbag not willing to engage in a meaningful conversation. Just making rude remarks about others and what they believe.

+1

Lesson learned

[Anonymous]

GnosticChristianBishop wrote:Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?

Christian dogma says that Adam and Eve were murdered by neglect when God locked away the tree of life.

Eve was deceived by Satan and the talking serpent that God put in Eden. This caused the Original Sin concept that Christianity calls a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan.

Was gaining an education and a moral sense, which basically is what gaining knowledge is, justifiable to you?

Can you see yourself punishing your children for gaining an education and a moral sense the way God is punishing Adam and Eve to this day?

Regards
DL

The bolded shows your lack of knowledge of the Bible and your whole post shows clear intent to demean and insult Christianity and in this case Judaism too. God did not put Satan in Eden. And I am not going to sit here and explain to you how Satan came about to be there.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Why is anyone engaging this Gnostic guy? He seems like a real dbag not willing to engage in a meaningful conversation. Just making rude remarks about others and what they believe.

This does seem to be the case so I am going to lock this thread.