Is skipping the afternoon nap at not even 2.5 a sign of ADD/ADHD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My initial reaction was no, but then I remembered this article I read last fall.

Could some ADHD be a type of sleep disorder? That would fundamentally change how we treat it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/09/22/could-adhd-be-a-type-of-sleep-disorder-that-would-fundamentally-change-how-we-treat-it/?utm_term=.156bca2a420a

Woah. Thank you for posting this. I just went down a sleep deprivation/mouth breathing/ADHD rabbit hole. We are in the process of having DC tested for ADHD. He has been a mouth breather as long as I can remember. His baby teeth are ground down because of it. The more I read, the more it sounds like my child is severely sleep/oxygen deprived. Setting up appointments with an ENT and an orthodontist ASAP.

Well it’s a chicken egg thing. Mouth breathing can be neurological. Many times I read this stuff, and I think, yes, there’s a brain difference/defect and it impedes sleep. Shocker.

[Anonymous]

Not in our home! The opposite occurred.

[Anonymous]

No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My initial reaction was no, but then I remembered this article I read last fall.

Could some ADHD be a type of sleep disorder? That would fundamentally change how we treat it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/09/22/could-adhd-be-a-type-of-sleep-disorder-that-would-fundamentally-change-how-we-treat-it/?utm_term=.156bca2a420a

Woah. Thank you for posting this. I just went down a sleep deprivation/mouth breathing/ADHD rabbit hole. We are in the process of having DC tested for ADHD. He has been a mouth breather as long as I can remember. His baby teeth are ground down because of it. The more I read, the more it sounds like my child is severely sleep/oxygen deprived. Setting up appointments with an ENT and an orthodontist ASAP.

What can cause this condition?

[Anonymous]

How exactly do kids drop their nap? You have to make them nap. You make them.

My oldest only napped for 45 min since she was a newborn. She was very low energy as a toddler. And she truly did not need to nap anymore around 24 months. She has low sleep needs. I think it does have something to do with energy level. Her behavior never changed with it without naps. At 2.5 she would stay up till midnight without a nap and act completely normal.

My youngest will nap for longer. She needs to nap or we notice behavioral changes in the afternoon. She gets a little loopy. She gets impulsive. She loses the desire to want to behave appropriately. It’s something only her caregiver would notice and put together.

That being said, she fights her naps. She would love if I threw in the towel. She will not fall asleep in her crib on her own. I literally hold her down in my bed until she falls asleep. Every single day.

I could very easily say she’s given up her nap and institute quiet time instead. But her behavior in the afternoon would suffer. So I don’t. She is super high energy. 2.5 and does not stop talking or moving unlesss she’s playing on the iPad. Info suspect she will eventually be evaluated for adhd.

Older sister has a high IQ BTW which I’ve read loosely correlates with low sleep needs. Loosely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How exactly do kids drop their nap? You have to make them nap. You make them.

My oldest only napped for 45 min since she was a newborn. She was very low energy as a toddler. And she truly did not need to nap anymore around 24 months. She has low sleep needs. I think it does have something to do with energy level. Her behavior never changed with it without naps. At 2.5 she would stay up till midnight without a nap and act completely normal.

My youngest will nap for longer. She needs to nap or we notice behavioral changes in the afternoon. She gets a little loopy. She gets impulsive. She loses the desire to want to behave appropriately. It’s something only her caregiver would notice and put together.

That being said, she fights her naps. She would love if I threw in the towel. She will not fall asleep in her crib on her own. I literally hold her down in my bed until she falls asleep. Every single day.

I could very easily say she’s given up her nap and institute quiet time instead. But her behavior in the afternoon would suffer. So I don’t. She is super high energy. 2.5 and does not stop talking or moving unlesss she’s playing on the iPad. Info suspect she will eventually be evaluated for adhd.

Older sister has a high IQ BTW which I’ve read loosely correlates with low sleep needs. Loosely.

Both of my kids dropped their nap at 2. Maybe you can make your DC nap but I couldn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My initial reaction was no, but then I remembered this article I read last fall.

Could some ADHD be a type of sleep disorder? That would fundamentally change how we treat it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/09/22/could-adhd-be-a-type-of-sleep-disorder-that-would-fundamentally-change-how-we-treat-it/?utm_term=.156bca2a420a

Woah. Thank you for posting this. I just went down a sleep deprivation/mouth breathing/ADHD rabbit hole. We are in the process of having DC tested for ADHD. He has been a mouth breather as long as I can remember. His baby teeth are ground down because of it. The more I read, the more it sounds like my child is severely sleep/oxygen deprived. Setting up appointments with an ENT and an orthodontist ASAP.

Well it’s a chicken egg thing. Mouth breathing can be neurological. Many times I read this stuff, and I think, yes, there’s a brain difference/defect and it impedes sleep. Shocker.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How exactly do kids drop their nap? You have to make them nap. You make them.

My oldest only napped for 45 min since she was a newborn. She was very low energy as a toddler. And she truly did not need to nap anymore around 24 months. She has low sleep needs. I think it does have something to do with energy level. Her behavior never changed with it without naps. At 2.5 she would stay up till midnight without a nap and act completely normal.

My youngest will nap for longer. She needs to nap or we notice behavioral changes in the afternoon. She gets a little loopy. She gets impulsive. She loses the desire to want to behave appropriately. It’s something only her caregiver would notice and put together.

That being said, she fights her naps. She would love if I threw in the towel. She will not fall asleep in her crib on her own. I literally hold her down in my bed until she falls asleep. Every single day.

I could very easily say she’s given up her nap and institute quiet time instead. But her behavior in the afternoon would suffer. So I don’t. She is super high energy. 2.5 and does not stop talking or moving unlesss she’s playing on the iPad. Info suspect she will eventually be evaluated for adhd.

Older sister has a high IQ BTW which I’ve read loosely correlates with low sleep needs. Loosely.

I think we all draw the line in different places. You don't want the behavior to suffer because child drops the nap. But I, personally, could not handle my preschoolers staying up until 11 or midnight. I really would lose my mind. Plus, the vicious cycle would begin on the next day, when, exhausted from having stayed up until midnight, they would have to be woken up in the morning--and then their behavior would be worse than ever. For me, the not napping-little bit of fussiness-early bedtime was the preferable solution.

To the OP: I wouldn't be surprised if there were some correlation to the early nap dropping-ADHD--there are definitely sleep issues overall in a high percentage of ADHD kids--but there is no way you can draw a conclusion from it. It wouldn't make sense statistically. By the way, my two kids with ADHD. One used to take hours to fall asleep and now takes melatonin. The other falls asleep as soon as his head hits the pillow. They are thirteen and eleven and they both still get 10 and often 11 hours of sleep every day. Kids are very different.

[Anonymous]

Maybe, my younger DC gave up his nap the summer after he turned 2 (April birthday). He has always been a good night sleeper, but never needed as much sleep as his older brother (two years old). They gave up their naps the same summer. At 19, he still goes to bed a 10 and wakes up around 7- even at college.

He has ADHD, but it is different than the typical ADHD that I read about and seems to mostly stem from his LDs.

[Anonymous]

I had three kids who all stopped napping at two.

One of them has ADHD - I.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My initial reaction was no, but then I remembered this article I read last fall.

Could some ADHD be a type of sleep disorder? That would fundamentally change how we treat it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/09/22/could-adhd-be-a-type-of-sleep-disorder-that-would-fundamentally-change-how-we-treat-it/?utm_term=.156bca2a420a

Woah. Thank you for posting this. I just went down a sleep deprivation/mouth breathing/ADHD rabbit hole. We are in the process of having DC tested for ADHD. He has been a mouth breather as long as I can remember. His baby teeth are ground down because of it. The more I read, the more it sounds like my child is severely sleep/oxygen deprived. Setting up appointments with an ENT and an orthodontist ASAP.

What can cause this condition?

Inflammation of the tonsils and adenoids? The kicker is that we recently started a medication for nasal inflammation and he has finally been getting more sleep (1week). Mornings are now, for the first time in years, calm and happy, not full of tantrums, forgetfulness, and power struggles. The only problem is that it wears off by noon, and there is a marked difference in behavior soon after he starts breathing through his mouth again.

[Anonymous]

Just not needing the nap is not an indication. If your child is blessed with low sleep need, rejoice-- it will really be an asset in life. My DH has low sleep need and I love him for it.

If your child has trouble calming down or falling asleep but does need the nap, that could be related.

If your child wakes up too early and cannot get back to sleep, that could be related too.

[Anonymous]

My ADHD kid napped until 5.5y (his private school had naps in kindergarten and he ALWAYS fell asleep.). He didn't start problems with sleeping until he was 12y. He still will nap in the car where as my non-ADHD kid NEVER naps.

[Anonymous]

Kids who have insufficient sleep can present very much like they have ADHD, but it isn't ADHD.

Just like anxiety and ADHD can look identical in kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids who have insufficient sleep can present very much like they have ADHD, but it isn't ADHD.

Just like anxiety and ADHD can look identical in kids.

Peer reviewed research study, please