If it wasn’t for Jesus we wouldn’t be here today

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify

John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

John 3:16 does not say: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever doesn't believes in him shall perish and will not have eternal life."

So good for you for working on your salvation. That does not mean others will not find their own salvation in whatever way god has chosen to identify himself to them.

Sure it does. That's covered elsewhere in the Bible, anyway. See Revelation 21:8. "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Which one are you?

Imagine this... there are people that don't believe in Jesus that none of those.

Also, there are people that believe in Jesus that are some/all of those.

Which one are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to clarify

John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

John 3:16 does not say: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever doesn't believes in him shall perish and will not have eternal life."

So good for you for working on your salvation. That does not mean others will not find their own salvation in whatever way god has chosen to identify himself to them.

Sure it does. That's covered elsewhere in the Bible, anyway. See Revelation 21:8. "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Which one are you?

Imagine this... there are people that don't believe in Jesus that none of those.

Also, there are people that believe in Jesus that are some/all of those.

Which one are you?

The one praying for your soul, pp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus wasn't born in December, or winter, for that matter.

Who cares? Irrelevant. He is our Lord and Savior. John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Quibbling about the timing of his actual birth is silly. It's not seeing the forest for the trees. We're just trying to save you from burning in eternal hell. You're welcome.

Jews would still be here without Jesus. Might be more of since there wouldn't be any crusades or pogroms or blood libel or inqusitions

[Anonymous]

Lol, “Christmas” was originally a pagan holiday, just like Easter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol, “Christmas” was originally a pagan holiday, just like Easter

Lol, you need some new material

[Anonymous]

What does the “H” stand for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol, “Christmas” was originally a pagan holiday, just like Easter

From where you posted this on the other thread:

PP, you’re confusing tradition with belief.

Belief is what’s recorded in the gospels: that Jesus was born to a poor family, that he died in the cross, and that he told people how to live and love each other.

Tradition: that Jesus was born on December 25, that it’s nice to put up trees, and so on. There are no bunnies in the gospels and nobody “believes” in them, but they make a fun tradition.

Most religions distinguish between belief and tradition. Some Jews put up trees with blue lights every year, but they’d tell you this has absolutely nothing to do with any type of religious “belief.” The Hadith are traditions that must believe but some do not, although maybe a better example would be visiting religious sites or emulating Mohammed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol, “Christmas” was originally a pagan holiday, just like Easter

From where you posted this on the other thread:

PP, you’re confusing tradition with belief.

Belief is what’s recorded in the gospels: that Jesus was born to a poor family, that he died in the cross, and that he told people how to live and love each other.

Tradition: that Jesus was born on December 25, that it’s nice to put up trees, and so on. There are no bunnies in the gospels and nobody “believes” in them, but they make a fun tradition.

Most religions distinguish between belief and tradition. Some Jews put up trees with blue lights every year, but they’d tell you this has absolutely nothing to do with any type of religious “belief.” The Hadith are traditions that must believe but some do not, although maybe a better example would be visiting religious sites or emulating Mohammed.

No, it's you who is confused, like the majority of other Christians. In fact, most Christians I've met aren't just confused, they are downright ignorant about the historical aspects of their religion and beliefs. And they refuse to acknowledge any evidence that shatters their beliefs. And they go on to spew their wrong beliefs as if they are facts, when they aren't.

PP was correct about the pagan origins of the two major Christian holidays. That is a fact and can't be disputed. There are books written on that very subject. Stop denying Truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol, “Christmas” was originally a pagan holiday, just like Easter

From where you posted this on the other thread:

PP, you’re confusing tradition with belief.

Belief is what’s recorded in the gospels: that Jesus was born to a poor family, that he died in the cross, and that he told people how to live and love each other.

Tradition: that Jesus was born on December 25, that it’s nice to put up trees, and so on. There are no bunnies in the gospels and nobody “believes” in them, but they make a fun tradition.

Most religions distinguish between belief and tradition. Some Jews put up trees with blue lights every year, but they’d tell you this has absolutely nothing to do with any type of religious “belief.” The Hadith are traditions that must believe but some do not, although maybe a better example would be visiting religious sites or emulating Mohammed.

No, it's you who is confused, like the majority of other Christians. In fact, most Christians I've met aren't just confused, they are downright ignorant about the historical aspects of their religion and beliefs. And they refuse to acknowledge any evidence that shatters their beliefs. And they go on to spew their wrong beliefs as if they are facts, when they aren't.

PP was correct about the pagan origins of the two major Christian holidays. That is a fact and can't be disputed. There are books written on that very subject. Stop denying Truth.

Sorry, but you still don’t understand how little your accusation really means. Of course December 25th is a tradition not a belief, because as every Christian knows, the Bible does not mention Jesus’ birthdate. So to choose a celebration date, one day of the year is as good as any other, and the romans chose a date that coincided with a pagan festival.

You’re not saying anything that every Christian doesn’t already know.

However, the fact that we don’t know Jesus’ true birthdate takes nothing away from the spiritual significance of Jesus’ birth. Your obsession with the date seems really silly given that Christians care about the birth itself.

[Anonymous]

I’m still trying to figure out why OP thinks we wouldn’t be here today if it weren’t for Jesus.

Was the world supposed to blow up or something if he hadn’t come along?

People were here for thousands upon thousands of years before Jesus. Were they just going to all disappear?? Worldwide?

[Anonymous]

Who is this "we" white man?

I'm Jewish. Jesus had zero impact on my getting here. And you know Jesus wasn't born in December, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Sure it does. That's covered elsewhere in the Bible, anyway. See Revelation 21:8. "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Which one are you?

I'm an idolater (Hindu), and I'm very happy being an idolater. I don't feel the need to apologize for idolatry (which unfortunately, many Hindus feel like they need to do), and I don't believe in hell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m still trying to figure out why OP thinks we wouldn’t be here today if it weren’t for Jesus.

Was the world supposed to blow up or something if he hadn’t come along?

People were here for thousands upon thousands of years before Jesus. Were they just going to all disappear?? Worldwide?

Well, I got a 23 and Me kit for Christmas last year and it shows that I have 0% middle eastern ancestry. The is a tiny bit of Northern African ancestry, so maybe Black Jesus is my ancestor?

[Anonymous]

We who?

[Anonymous]

I guess there's some truth in the OP's statement - if the Russians weren't Christian, they probably wouldn't have hated the Jews.

And if the Russians didn't hate the Jews, they wouldn't have thrown them out of the Pale.

And if they hadn't thrown them out of the Pale, my family would have stayed home happy in the shtetl.

And if my family had stayed home happy in the shtetl, they wouldn't have been in NY when the Nazis controlled Eastern Europe.

So should I thank you for all this?