Oakton High School and Chantilly High School

[Anonymous]

OP here - thanks Carson parent for your reply. I just realised I made a typo!!! My DD gets into Middle School in Fall 2019, not 2018. What do you advise?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks Carson parent for your reply. I just realised I made a typo!!! My DD gets into Middle School in Fall 2019, not 2018. What do you advise?

Watch and wait. My personal sense is that they are dragging their feet on a change neither Carson nor Franklin wants. And that they will do Thoreau first, because that is more popular. Plus, the fact that Franklin is becoming more popular as an LLIV Center means that it is taking the overcrowding pressure off of Carson. In fact, Carson enrollment went down this year. But it all depends on the priorities of the new superintendent. If they start the community meetings, go and be vocal. Push for grandfathering of your kid, especially if it happens next year, when she is in 6th.

Also realize, half of Franklin kids are Carson based. Franklin will become a powerhouse in its own right if the the AAP kids are forced back. It already has a great reputation. The education should every bit be as good. The only downside is TJ admissions. Carson is a TJ admission machine. They have the teacher knowledge on how to write recommendations, administrative involvement, extracurriculars, etc. to make it happen. Franklin may lag for a year or two, as they get used to a huge TJ admissions pool.

[Anonymous]

I think you mean half of Carson is Franklin-based, not the converse.

Breaking up Carson AAP is a good idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks Carson parent for your reply. I just realised I made a typo!!! My DD gets into Middle School in Fall 2019, not 2018. What do you advise?

Watch and wait. My personal sense is that they are dragging their feet on a change neither Carson nor Franklin wants. And that they will do Thoreau first, because that is more popular. Plus, the fact that Franklin is becoming more popular as an LLIV Center means that it is taking the overcrowding pressure off of Carson. In fact, Carson enrollment went down this year. But it all depends on the priorities of the new superintendent. If they start the community meetings, go and be vocal. Push for grandfathering of your kid, especially if it happens next year, when she is in 6th.

Also realize, half of Franklin kids are Carson based. Franklin will become a powerhouse in its own right if the the AAP kids are forced back. It already has a great reputation. The education should every bit be as good. The only downside is TJ admissions. Carson is a TJ admission machine. They have the teacher knowledge on how to write recommendations, administrative involvement, extracurriculars, etc. to make it happen. Franklin may lag for a year or two, as they get used to a huge TJ admissions pool.

FYI -- there is no plan at all to make Thoreau a center. The first thing that absolutely will happen is that some kids from Jackson's base school will be rezoned to Thoreau. Some of those kids are AAP kids and they will choose to attend Thoreau's AAP (local level 4) program rather than go to the center (Jackson). But, there is no discussion of making Thoreau a center. I actually think it should become one just to keep kids from leaving and going to an already-over-crowded school (Jackson). BUT, I'm sure the school board and the Jackson administrators WANT those AAP center kids coming so that they can skew the Jackson scores higher. Thoreau's scores are good with or without the AAP kids, so they don't care or have any motivation to become a center. Thoreau is happy to offer AAP for those who want it, but doesn't really care about being a "center" (which in this case would only have the effect of keeping some AAP kids from going to Jackson).

Back to the discussion about Franklin and Carson....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks Carson parent for your reply. I just realised I made a typo!!! My DD gets into Middle School in Fall 2019, not 2018. What do you advise?

Watch and wait. My personal sense is that they are dragging their feet on a change neither Carson nor Franklin wants. And that they will do Thoreau first, because that is more popular. Plus, the fact that Franklin is becoming more popular as an LLIV Center means that it is taking the overcrowding pressure off of Carson. In fact, Carson enrollment went down this year. But it all depends on the priorities of the new superintendent. If they start the community meetings, go and be vocal. Push for grandfathering of your kid, especially if it happens next year, when she is in 6th.

Also realize, half of Franklin kids are Carson based. Franklin will become a powerhouse in its own right if the the AAP kids are forced back. It already has a great reputation. The education should every bit be as good. The only downside is TJ admissions. Carson is a TJ admission machine. They have the teacher knowledge on how to write recommendations, administrative involvement, extracurriculars, etc. to make it happen. Franklin may lag for a year or two, as they get used to a huge TJ admissions pool.

FYI -- there is no plan at all to make Thoreau a center. The first thing that absolutely will happen is that some kids from Jackson's base school will be rezoned to Thoreau. Some of those kids are AAP kids and they will choose to attend Thoreau's AAP (local level 4) program rather than go to the center (Jackson). But, there is no discussion of making Thoreau a center. I actually think it should become one just to keep kids from leaving and going to an already-over-crowded school (Jackson). BUT, I'm sure the school board and the Jackson administrators WANT those AAP center kids coming so that they can skew the Jackson scores higher. Thoreau's scores are good with or without the AAP kids, so they don't care or have any motivation to become a center. Thoreau is happy to offer AAP for those who want it, but doesn't really care about being a "center" (which in this case would only have the effect of keeping some AAP kids from going to Jackson).

Back to the discussion about Franklin and Carson....

Thoreau will become a center regardless because of the high school feeder and so people can keep their kids away from the poors. The school board has already been put on notice from the last go round of public meetings.

[Anonymous]

What a mess. The plan is to turn Thoreau into a split feeder to Oakton, Madison and Marshall and it may or may not have an AAP center?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a mess. The plan is to turn Thoreau into a split feeder to Oakton, Madison and Marshall and it may or may not have an AAP center?

Oakton will also be a split feeder receiving kids from Jackson, Thoreau, Franklin and Carson

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What a mess. The plan is to turn Thoreau into a split feeder to Oakton, Madison and Marshall and it may or may not have an AAP center?

Oakton will also be a split feeder receiving kids from Jackson, Thoreau, Franklin and Carson

Realize right now Carson takes in about 12 ES, either AAP or GE. And splints into SLHS, Westfields, Oakton and Chantilly. With 100 kids going to TJ. So, significant representation st 5 HS.

They need to just completely redistrict the Western County, and clean iup the feeders and split up RRMS and Carson. Most of the Carson based kids have an ugly commute tonOakton anyway. Also balance out Westfields some, since they are very close, and Chantilly is so much stronger. But no one has the stones to do what actually needs to be done. And my youngest heads to Chantilly or TJ next year. So, I am thankful we are not being caught up in any re-zoning. It is something most people think should happen— to someone else.

[Anonymous]

Oakton will also be a split feeder receiving kids from Jackson, Thoreau, Franklin and Carson

Don't know about Thoreau, but Oakton already gets kids from Jackson, Franklin, and Carson.

[Anonymous]

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Oakton will also be a split feeder receiving kids from Jackson, Thoreau, Franklin and Carson

Don't know about Thoreau, but Oakton already gets kids from Jackson, Franklin, and Carson.

Good news for houses zoned for high schools like Langley, McLean, West Springfield and Woodson that have or soon will have mostly one middle school feeder (Cooper, Longfellow, Irving, and Frost). Sounds much better than middle schools that feed into three or four high schools.

[Anonymous]

Thoreau does not have LLIV AAP...don't know what that poster was talking about

[Anonymous]

The big issue is that Kilmer is way overcrowded and with the recently completed expansion/upgrade Thoreau has space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The big issue is that Kilmer is way overcrowded and with the recently completed expansion/upgrade Thoreau has space.

There are no current plans or proposals to move anyone from Kilmer to Thoreau. Kilmer's enrollment is down because the AAP kids from Great Falls in the Langley pyramid are now going to Cooper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thoreau does not have LLIV AAP...don't know what that poster was talking about

ummmm..... yes they do! You are out of touch. There are about 100 kids in the 7th grade AAP classes and a little less in the 8th grade AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - thanks Carson parent for your reply. I just realised I made a typo!!! My DD gets into Middle School in Fall 2019, not 2018. What do you advise?

Watch and wait. My personal sense is that they are dragging their feet on a change neither Carson nor Franklin wants. And that they will do Thoreau first, because that is more popular. Plus, the fact that Franklin is becoming more popular as an LLIV Center means that it is taking the overcrowding pressure off of Carson. In fact, Carson enrollment went down this year. But it all depends on the priorities of the new superintendent. If they start the community meetings, go and be vocal. Push for grandfathering of your kid, especially if it happens next year, when she is in 6th.

Also realize, half of Franklin kids are Carson based. Franklin will become a powerhouse in its own right if the the AAP kids are forced back. It already has a great reputation. The education should every bit be as good. The only downside is TJ admissions. Carson is a TJ admission machine. They have the teacher knowledge on how to write recommendations, administrative involvement, extracurriculars, etc. to make it happen. Franklin may lag for a year or two, as they get used to a huge TJ admissions pool.

FYI -- there is no plan at all to make Thoreau a center. The first thing that absolutely will happen is that some kids from Jackson's base school will be rezoned to Thoreau. Some of those kids are AAP kids and they will choose to attend Thoreau's AAP (local level 4) program rather than go to the center (Jackson). But, there is no discussion of making Thoreau a center. I actually think it should become one just to keep kids from leaving and going to an already-over-crowded school (Jackson). BUT, I'm sure the school board and the Jackson administrators WANT those AAP center kids coming so that they can skew the Jackson scores higher. Thoreau's scores are good with or without the AAP kids, so they don't care or have any motivation to become a center. Thoreau is happy to offer AAP for those who want it, but doesn't really care about being a "center" (which in this case would only have the effect of keeping some AAP kids from going to Jackson).

Back to the discussion about Franklin and Carson....

Thoreau will become a center regardless because of the high school feeder and so people can keep their kids away from the poors. The school board has already been put on notice from the last go round of public meetings.

I don't think you understand what it means to be a center. And I don't think you understand what the current situation is. Thoreau-based AAP kids have the option of going to Jackson (where there are "the poors" -- using your language), or staying at Thoreau. Anyone who wants to avoid the poors can choose to stay at Thoreau currently. Making Thoreau into a center isn't a desired goal for parents of AAP kids zoned for Thoreau b/c they can already do that if they wish --- or they can choose to mix and mingle at Jackson (although there might not be that much mixing and mingling since the AAP center kids have the core classes with only AAP kids at both Jackson and Thoreau). There is no real benefit to the Thoreau-zoned community to become an official center. It only takes away options for some kids to go to Jackson. And, as I explained above, there is no motivation for the Jackson community to divest the Thoreau-based kids b/c they help bring the Jackson scores up. The current situation is pretty much a win/win.

Your assertions don't make sense.