Any non-Trump supporters getting increasingly queazy about Russia scandal?

[Anonymous]

We have to know. We have to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anyone here who was alive during Watergate? Was this the sentiment people had then too?

I was just a child during Watergate, but there are definitely those folks who remember that time and see similarities:

http://www.newsweek.com/john-dean-richard-nixon-donald-trump-610749

"The White House Counsel for former U.S. President Richard Nixon has described the memo written by fired FBI director James Comey as a “smoking gun” and drew parallels between the affair and the Watergate scandal that in 1974 brought down his former boss.

In an interview Tuesday with CNN, John Dean—who served as Nixon’s counsel—likens Comey memo to the so-called “smoking gun tape,” when it was revealed that the former president tried to halt an FBI investigation.

The release of the tape on August 5, 1974, led to a collapse in support for Nixon among Republican lawmakers who until then had refused to back calls for his impeachment. Nixon resigned three days later.

Well, it's been more than 3 days since we learned of the memo...so what does that say about now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anyone here who was alive during Watergate? Was this the sentiment people had then too?

I was just a child during Watergate, but there are definitely those folks who remember that time and see similarities:

http://www.newsweek.com/john-dean-richard-nixon-donald-trump-610749

"The White House Counsel for former U.S. President Richard Nixon has described the memo written by fired FBI director James Comey as a “smoking gun” and drew parallels between the affair and the Watergate scandal that in 1974 brought down his former boss.

In an interview Tuesday with CNN, John Dean—who served as Nixon’s counsel—likens Comey memo to the so-called “smoking gun tape,” when it was revealed that the former president tried to halt an FBI investigation.

The release of the tape on August 5, 1974, led to a collapse in support for Nixon among Republican lawmakers who until then had refused to back calls for his impeachment. Nixon resigned three days later.

Well, it's been more than 3 days since we learned of the memo...so what does that say about now?

The memo hasn't been released. Mueller is holding it as evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To be clear up front, I'm not advocating for stopping investigations or denying that there is something shady going on. This is entirely an emotional reaction. Obviously, it's been in the news for a while, and I've been trying to untangle rumors from reality. But increasingly, whatever happened seems like it's about to out...and I don't like what it's revealing about our government and democracy. I mean, much of what's being revealed has been true since before Trump...but I don't feel like I can hold out hope for the counter-narrative that I'm just over-reacting/being hysterical being true anymore.

I don't know if this makes sense at all. But I've never seriously thought that the stability of the US government was at risk in my lifetime, and now I can't shake the feeling that it is. As much as I really don't like the political direction Trump is taking us, I had hoped he'd just be a President I didn't like. Now it feels like our government is coming apart at the seams, and I'm surprised at how frightened it's leaving me. I'm not naive, I've worked on the Hill and as a Fed. But there's something peculiar happening right now that's very troubling...and I wish it weren't happening at all.

Anyone here who was alive during Watergate? Was this the sentiment people had then too?

Go to Canada.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be clear up front, I'm not advocating for stopping investigations or denying that there is something shady going on. This is entirely an emotional reaction. Obviously, it's been in the news for a while, and I've been trying to untangle rumors from reality. But increasingly, whatever happened seems like it's about to out...and I don't like what it's revealing about our government and democracy. I mean, much of what's being revealed has been true since before Trump...but I don't feel like I can hold out hope for the counter-narrative that I'm just over-reacting/being hysterical being true anymore.

I don't know if this makes sense at all. But I've never seriously thought that the stability of the US government was at risk in my lifetime, and now I can't shake the feeling that it is. As much as I really don't like the political direction Trump is taking us, I had hoped he'd just be a President I didn't like. Now it feels like our government is coming apart at the seams, and I'm surprised at how frightened it's leaving me. I'm not naive, I've worked on the Hill and as a Fed. But there's something peculiar happening right now that's very troubling...and I wish it weren't happening at all.

Anyone here who was alive during Watergate? Was this the sentiment people had then too?

Go to Canada.

Why don't you go to Russia instead, if you love it so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be clear up front, I'm not advocating for stopping investigations or denying that there is something shady going on. This is entirely an emotional reaction. Obviously, it's been in the news for a while, and I've been trying to untangle rumors from reality. But increasingly, whatever happened seems like it's about to out...and I don't like what it's revealing about our government and democracy. I mean, much of what's being revealed has been true since before Trump...but I don't feel like I can hold out hope for the counter-narrative that I'm just over-reacting/being hysterical being true anymore.

I don't know if this makes sense at all. But I've never seriously thought that the stability of the US government was at risk in my lifetime, and now I can't shake the feeling that it is. As much as I really don't like the political direction Trump is taking us, I had hoped he'd just be a President I didn't like. Now it feels like our government is coming apart at the seams, and I'm surprised at how frightened it's leaving me. I'm not naive, I've worked on the Hill and as a Fed. But there's something peculiar happening right now that's very troubling...and I wish it weren't happening at all.

Anyone here who was alive during Watergate? Was this the sentiment people had then too?

Go to Canada.

DP. Because patriots fight for their country, snowflake.

[Anonymous]

Our institutions are stronger than this idiot. It's just going to take a while before balance is restored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To be clear up front, I'm not advocating for stopping investigations or denying that there is something shady going on. This is entirely an emotional reaction. Obviously, it's been in the news for a while, and I've been trying to untangle rumors from reality. But increasingly, whatever happened seems like it's about to out...and I don't like what it's revealing about our government and democracy. I mean, much of what's being revealed has been true since before Trump...but I don't feel like I can hold out hope for the counter-narrative that I'm just over-reacting/being hysterical being true anymore.

I don't know if this makes sense at all. But I've never seriously thought that the stability of the US government was at risk in my lifetime, and now I can't shake the feeling that it is. As much as I really don't like the political direction Trump is taking us, I had hoped he'd just be a President I didn't like. Now it feels like our government is coming apart at the seams, and I'm surprised at how frightened it's leaving me. I'm not naive, I've worked on the Hill and as a Fed. But there's something peculiar happening right now that's very troubling...and I wish it weren't happening at all.

Anyone here who was alive during Watergate? Was this the sentiment people had then too?

Go to Canada.

STFU and go back to your borscht.

[Anonymous]

all of this is playing right into Steve Bannon's hands. He does not want Trump or the Republicans to succeed in doing anything. He cares nothing for Trump. He wants political chaos, basically anarchy.

So all of this seems to be part of his master plan - I wouldn't be surprised if he was the anonymous source leaking information out of the WH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Anyone here who was alive during Watergate? Was this the sentiment people had then too?

I was just a child during Watergate, but there are definitely those folks who remember that time and see similarities:

http://www.newsweek.com/john-dean-richard-nixon-donald-trump-610749

"The White House Counsel for former U.S. President Richard Nixon has described the memo written by fired FBI director James Comey as a “smoking gun” and drew parallels between the affair and the Watergate scandal that in 1974 brought down his former boss.

In an interview Tuesday with CNN, John Dean—who served as Nixon’s counsel—likens Comey memo to the so-called “smoking gun tape,” when it was revealed that the former president tried to halt an FBI investigation.

The release of the tape on August 5, 1974, led to a collapse in support for Nixon among Republican lawmakers who until then had refused to back calls for his impeachment. Nixon resigned three days later.

Well, it's been more than 3 days since we learned of the memo...so what does that say about now?

The memo hasn't been released. Mueller is holding it as evidence.

Even if the memo ever gets released, I don't think Trump will resign. I don't think that he thinks he did anything wrong. Scary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the Russians own Trump and that revelation will bring down his presidency before Christmas. The sooner the better -- Pence is a nightmare, but his ascendance will continue to motivate progressives to retake Congress in 2018.

This.

I dislike everything Pence stands for and think he would be a horrid president. But at least I can't see him shoving foreign leaders, insulting our allies on twitter, hiring his family members to be top advisers, and making shady business deals.

Pence may take us back to the 1950s but not to the pre-WWII international order.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the Russians own Trump and that revelation will bring down his presidency before Christmas. The sooner the better -- Pence is a nightmare, but his ascendance will continue to motivate progressives to retake Congress in 2018.

This.

I dislike everything Pence stands for and think he would be a horrid president. But at least I can't see him shoving foreign leaders, insulting our allies on twitter, hiring his family members to be top advisers, and making shady business deals.

Pence may take us back to the 1950s but not to the pre-WWII international order.

I should add, I have a lot more confidence in our ability to beat back regressive domestic policy than foreign policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

NP. I don't think Mueller can resolve it either. As a thought experiment, let's pretend that Mueller finds absolute smoking gun evidence of collusion - say a videotape of Jared Kushner and Steve Bannon meeting with Russian agents, working to coordinate their hacks of Clinton campaign members, and plans to relax Russian sanctions in exchange for cash. What's going to happen then? ...

Do you have any slight doubt that Trump will immediately issue them all blanket pardons, and claim that whatever they did was in the ultimate best interest of the country? I'm completely confident he'd do something like that. And so long as Fox "News" parrots that line, I'm betting most of Trump's supporters will continue to support him. Would the Republicans in Congress ever impeach him? Only if it helps them maintain personal power, so probably not.

It's going to take more than one flush to get this turd down. In all likelihood, the only way we get rid of him is the 2020 general election. In the meantime, the most important thing to do is win back the House in 2018, to block as much of his activities as possible.

He wouldn't be able to pardon anyone involved with a case where he is the subject of an inquiry. That would be a violation of the separation of powers as Congress would have the right to investigate and impeach without obstruction.