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Anonymous wrote:DH was a tenure track prof at AU 7 years ago - pay was less than a public school teacher and the benefits were way worse. We had to pay hundreds of dollars a month each for our kids health insurance - basically the full cost it was insane. They added ' partner benefits' but what benefits? Basically you have to have another job to survive in this area - write a textbook for freshman classes (high yield to make a lot of money, but not scholarly work), deliver newspapers- something. Marry rich?

Average AU professor salary is 105k which is lots more than other universities and you sure don't start anywhere close to that. And again - the benefits are expensive . 105,000 minus a few thousand a month for healthcare means you will be living frugally in this area. Certainly nowhere DC unless it's a tiny apartment.

http://faculty-salaries.startclass.com/l/1991/American-University

Professors who earn a lot of money are doing something else to earn that money. They're doing some kind of consulting or writing intro textbooks or something. The university is not paying them a high salary. You're supposed to be there teaching and doing meaningful research but once you get tenure you can do whatever you want, so...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It strongly depends what academic field. The sciences/engineering/business/law, particularly at research universities, are all going to be higher paying than the humanities.

DH makes 350 a year. Most likely that's as much as he will make.

Doing what? Even the university presidents don't make 350k/year.

He's a tenured professor with an administrative appointment. Not sure what university presidents you're referring to..many presidents/deans/provosts make more than 350.

Yes - administrator. That's key. That's not really being a professor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It strongly depends what academic field. The sciences/engineering/business/law, particularly at research universities, are all going to be higher paying than the humanities.

DH makes 350 a year. Most likely that's as much as he will make.

Doing what? Even the university presidents don't make 350k/year.

He's a tenured professor with an administrative appointment. Not sure what university presidents you're referring to..many presidents/deans/provosts make more than 350.

Yes - administrator. That's key. That's not really being a professor.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. I said administrative appointment. His job is full professor. Without the extra, salary would be more like 300.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DH was a tenure track prof at AU 7 years ago - pay was less than a public school teacher and the benefits were way worse. We had to pay hundreds of dollars a month each for our kids health insurance - basically the full cost it was insane. They added ' partner benefits' but what benefits? Basically you have to have another job to survive in this area - write a textbook for freshman classes (high yield to make a lot of money, but not scholarly work), deliver newspapers- something. Marry rich?

Professors delivering newspapers on the side? That is sad I hate how little we value education in this country.

We value education, just like we also value water. But the value of a product/service is dependent on supply and demand. There is no shortage of well educated people who wants to stay in school and teach/research rather than move on to a career in the world. The reality of this is great: it will drive more such people to seek jobs elsewhere. It also allows the schools to be highly selective in who they accept to teach, improving both productivity and standard of teaching.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH was a tenure track prof at AU 7 years ago - pay was less than a public school teacher and the benefits were way worse. We had to pay hundreds of dollars a month each for our kids health insurance - basically the full cost it was insane. They added ' partner benefits' but what benefits? Basically you have to have another job to survive in this area - write a textbook for freshman classes (high yield to make a lot of money, but not scholarly work), deliver newspapers- something. Marry rich?

Professors delivering newspapers on the side? That is sad I hate how little we value education in this country.

We value education, just like we also value water. But the value of a product/service is dependent on supply and demand. There is no shortage of well educated people who wants to stay in school and teach/research rather than move on to a career in the world. The reality of this is great: it will drive more such people to seek jobs elsewhere. It also allows the schools to be highly selective in who they accept to teach, improving both productivity and standard of teaching.

I don't know how true this is. It seems that universities have figured out they can save money by hiring more adjuncts and paying them a pittance (3-5k a course, no benefits) then tenure track professors who are paid at least a MC salary 70k + and benefits.

At the same time, tuition has been sky rocketing due to great salaries paid to administrators (who do...what exactly? push paper around). That is not valuing education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH was a tenure track prof at AU 7 years ago - pay was less than a public school teacher and the benefits were way worse. We had to pay hundreds of dollars a month each for our kids health insurance - basically the full cost it was insane. They added ' partner benefits' but what benefits? Basically you have to have another job to survive in this area - write a textbook for freshman classes (high yield to make a lot of money, but not scholarly work), deliver newspapers- something. Marry rich?

Professors delivering newspapers on the side? That is sad I hate how little we value education in this country.

We value education, just like we also value water. But the value of a product/service is dependent on supply and demand. There is no shortage of well educated people who wants to stay in school and teach/research rather than move on to a career in the world. The reality of this is great: it will drive more such people to seek jobs elsewhere. It also allows the schools to be highly selective in who they accept to teach, improving both productivity and standard of teaching.

I don't know how true this is. It seems that universities have figured out they can save money by hiring more adjuncts and paying them a pittance (3-5k a course, no benefits) then tenure track professors who are paid at least a MC salary 70k + and benefits.

At the same time, tuition has been sky rocketing due to great salaries paid to administrators (who do...what exactly? push paper around). That is not valuing education.

Well, if an adjunct professor delivers education quality that meets the standards of the university, then what additional value do tenure-track professors bring? A separate question, is the skyrocketing tuition and admin salaries - yes we all should be outraged that colleges and universities are no longer mainly focused on education. Go visit any big state school - it's run like a luxury resort, with new buildings, new equipment, lavish facilities and landscaping. This is the direct result of easy student loans. I was in college back in the 90s - twenty years later, I don't even recognize the school from campus pictures anymore. I never dreamed of going to a out-of-state school unless I got merit scholarship - I was a pretty horrid student so in-state was pretty much my only choice. Most of my fellow classmates either worked their way through, got help from parents, or a combination thereof. The financial aid office was a small part of the admin building back then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH was a tenure track prof at AU 7 years ago - pay was less than a public school teacher and the benefits were way worse. We had to pay hundreds of dollars a month each for our kids health insurance - basically the full cost it was insane. They added ' partner benefits' but what benefits? Basically you have to have another job to survive in this area - write a textbook for freshman classes (high yield to make a lot of money, but not scholarly work), deliver newspapers- something. Marry rich?

Professors delivering newspapers on the side? That is sad I hate how little we value education in this country.

We value education, just like we also value water. But the value of a product/service is dependent on supply and demand. There is no shortage of well educated people who wants to stay in school and teach/research rather than move on to a career in the world. The reality of this is great: it will drive more such people to seek jobs elsewhere. It also allows the schools to be highly selective in who they accept to teach, improving both productivity and standard of teaching.

I don't know how true this is. It seems that universities have figured out they can save money by hiring more adjuncts and paying them a pittance (3-5k a course, no benefits) then tenure track professors who are paid at least a MC salary 70k + and benefits.

At the same time, tuition has been sky rocketing due to great salaries paid to administrators (who do...what exactly? push paper around). That is not valuing education.

Well, if an adjunct professor delivers education quality that meets the standards of the university, then what additional value do tenure-track professors bring? A separate question, is the skyrocketing tuition and admin salaries - yes we all should be outraged that colleges and universities are no longer mainly focused on education. Go visit any big state school - it's run like a luxury resort, with new buildings, new equipment, lavish facilities and landscaping. This is the direct result of easy student loans. I was in college back in the 90s - twenty years later, I don't even recognize the school from campus pictures anymore. I never dreamed of going to a out-of-state school unless I got merit scholarship - I was a pretty horrid student so in-state was pretty much my only choice. Most of my fellow classmates either worked their way through, got help from parents, or a combination thereof. The financial aid office was a small part of the admin building back then.

Tenure track professors bring grant money. They don't teach very many classes per semester. Unless it's at a teaching college (less desirable for many but not all), a tenure track professor isn't really hired for their teaching.

[Anonymous]

We live in a Midwestern college town because DH has a tenure track position here. He was making almost $100,000 in his post-doctoral fellowship, and now in his first year of teaching makes $75,000. It works for the COL of where we're living, but since we're saving to buy a house, money is a bit tight. He takes plenty of additional research grants, journal editing gigs, etc. When he's tenured, his salary will go up considerably.

I just finished a nine-month contract, and am looking for a new job. My salary definitely helps.

[Anonymous]

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Well, if an adjunct professor delivers education quality that meets the standards of the university, then what additional value do tenure-track professors bring?

Adjuncts are not paid to do research.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It strongly depends what academic field. The sciences/engineering/business/law, particularly at research universities, are all going to be higher paying than the humanities.

DH makes 350 a year. Most likely that's as much as he will make.

Doing what? Even the university presidents don't make 350k/year.

He's a tenured professor with an administrative appointment. Not sure what university presidents you're referring to..many presidents/deans/provosts make more than 350.

+1. The president of our university made close to a million dollars, and that was 12 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It strongly depends what academic field. The sciences/engineering/business/law, particularly at research universities, are all going to be higher paying than the humanities.

DH makes 350 a year. Most likely that's as much as he will make.

Doing what? Even the university presidents don't make 350k/year.

He's a tenured professor with an administrative appointment. Not sure what university presidents you're referring to..many presidents/deans/provosts make more than 350.

Yes - administrator. That's key. That's not really being a professor.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. I said administrative appointment. His job is full professor. Without the extra, salary would be more like 300.

Administrator salaries

http://www.chronicle.com/article/Median-Salaries-of-Senior/130897

Faculty salaries

http://faculty-salaries.startclass.com

Big difference.

Most academics would not want to do administrator work as it is not research which is why many of them are there. But I'm sure that some would love the money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH was a tenure track prof at AU 7 years ago - pay was less than a public school teacher and the benefits were way worse. We had to pay hundreds of dollars a month each for our kids health insurance - basically the full cost it was insane. They added ' partner benefits' but what benefits? Basically you have to have another job to survive in this area - write a textbook for freshman classes (high yield to make a lot of money, but not scholarly work), deliver newspapers- something. Marry rich?

Professors delivering newspapers on the side? That is sad I hate how little we value education in this country.

We value education, just like we also value water. But the value of a product/service is dependent on supply and demand. There is no shortage of well educated people who wants to stay in school and teach/research rather than move on to a career in the world. The reality of this is great: it will drive more such people to seek jobs elsewhere. It also allows the schools to be highly selective in who they accept to teach, improving both productivity and standard of teaching.

I don't know how true this is. It seems that universities have figured out they can save money by hiring more adjuncts and paying them a pittance (3-5k a course, no benefits) then tenure track professors who are paid at least a MC salary 70k + and benefits.

At the same time, tuition has been sky rocketing due to great salaries paid to administrators (who do...what exactly? push paper around). That is not valuing education.

Well, if an adjunct professor delivers education quality that meets the standards of the university, then what additional value do tenure-track professors bring? A separate question, is the skyrocketing tuition and admin salaries - yes we all should be outraged that colleges and universities are no longer mainly focused on education. Go visit any big state school - it's run like a luxury resort, with new buildings, new equipment, lavish facilities and landscaping. This is the direct result of easy student loans. I was in college back in the 90s - twenty years later, I don't even recognize the school from campus pictures anymore. I never dreamed of going to a out-of-state school unless I got merit scholarship - I was a pretty horrid student so in-state was pretty much my only choice. Most of my fellow classmates either worked their way through, got help from parents, or a combination thereof. The financial aid office was a small part of the admin building back then.

Tenure track professors bring grant money. They don't teach very many classes per semester. Unless it's at a teaching college (less desirable for many but not all), a tenure track professor isn't really hired for their teaching.

But they are often forced to teach many classes. A better research history means a lesser class load - that's usually your reward.

[Anonymous]

Here is the AU starting salary - which lasts for 5 years. 69k That's a very small amount to live on, especially since again the benefits are costly.
Good thing the administrators are so high paid, in sure they deserve it


http://faculty-salaries.startclass.com/l/1992/American-University



http://faculty-salaries.startclass.com


For whatever reason Alabama pays a ton and the cost of living is very low - several universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the AU starting salary - which lasts for 5 years. 69k That's a very small amount to live on, especially since again the benefits are costly.
Good thing the administrators are so high paid, in sure they deserve it


http://faculty-salaries.startclass.com/l/1992/American-University



http://faculty-salaries.startclass.com


For whatever reason Alabama pays a ton and the cost of living is very low - several universities.

Can't the same be said of any industry? You sound whiny.

[Anonymous]

DH is a law professor at a top 14 law school (not in DC). His salary is 225K a year. However, in 2017 he has probably made so far outside money of 150K because he was an expert witness in a case that went to trial. This is not reliable outside income, but he does have outside reliable income of at least 50K (wrote a text book, consults, paid for some appearances). Some colleagues in different legal fields can easily make 250K + a year in outside consulting work, but it really depends on their area of expertise.

so yeah...all in his salary ranges from 275-400K a year. But if he went into private practice like many of his law school classmates, he'd be at easily 500k-1 million a year reliably (except he'd hate his life!) He truly, truly loves his job.