Harvard Z List

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Hi, Jared Kushner!

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How much donations do you guys think these legacy admits' wealthy relatives make? Always been curious. Hundreds of thousands? Millions?

And what does it say? "Earmark this amount for the future consideration of my thoroughly mediocre relative, Larlo Larloson IV?"

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Anonymous wrote:Can some one tell me what a "z" list is in this case? I know what a Z list celebrity is, but not this. Thanks.

It's the super connected or high donor kids who may not be quite as qualified who are admitted to Harvard with the requirement that they take a gap year. That way their stats aren't included in admission stats. And I suspect Harvard hopes that some will opt to go elsewhere but the kids we know admitted on the Z plan took the gap year.

And this is an actual, genuine thing, or just something that DCUMommies have thought up as a "possibility"?

Google it. There are articles about it. Kids at my DCs school were certainly aware of it.

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Z list students are not legacies. That is a separate list. Z list are folks willing to endow a chair or build a building. Or set up a research institute. These parents have net worth of 100 million and up.

Legacy patents are MuchMore common. If it comes down to a tie break then a legacy may be admitted. Otherwise the student is either accepted on their own merits or deferred.

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Anonymous wrote: Z list students are not legacies. That is a separate list. Z list are folks willing to endow a chair or build a building. Or set up a research institute. These parents have net worth of 100 million and up.

Legacy patents are MuchMore common. If it comes down to a tie break then a legacy may be admitted. Otherwise the student is either accepted on their own merits or deferred.

I know two recent z list kids. Both were legacies. One of a prominent parent, the other of a big donor.

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Anonymous wrote:Can some one tell me what a "z" list is in this case? I know what a Z list celebrity is, but not this. Thanks.

It's the super connected or high donor kids who may not be quite as qualified who are admitted to Harvard with the requirement that they take a gap year. That way their stats aren't included in admission stats. And I suspect Harvard hopes that some will opt to go elsewhere but the kids we know admitted on the Z plan took the gap year.

DP here. But then, aren't their stats included in admissions stats for the year in which they do matriculate? The year they enroll, after their gap year, that is.

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Anonymous wrote:There truly is one for the well connected $$$$ - kid with so so academics in DC class , non legacy but well connected father has just been offered a Harvard spot w gap year. The rich and connected keeps moving forward.

This has to be for gaming something. I know two elite colleges that invited two middle class kids to do gap years. I also know Cornell has been doing this for 10 years. But instead of gap, my friend's offer from Cornell was for him to go to college for 1 year and transfer. Not sure the motive there. He considered it but after making friends freshman year, didn't want to start over socially at Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how people have enough energy to worry about the practices of a private institution serving .01% of the population, with hundreds of substitutes for the service they provide. Better to direct your energy towards tax payer funded public institutions that pay their football coach 10 times a university president's salary in support of an entertainment product. Worrying about the corner cases is such a bore.

The sports programs that pay huge salaries to coaches are almost always self funded. And the football and basketball revenue covers the cost of the non revenue sports. Yes, it's a weird thing the coaches are paid more than presidents, but it's not taxpayer or even tuition funded.

Wong-- 90% of NCAA Division 1 sports departments are subsidized by the college, sometimes by millions of dollars a year.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how people have enough energy to worry about the practices of a private institution serving .01% of the population, with hundreds of substitutes for the service they provide. Better to direct your energy towards tax payer funded public institutions that pay their football coach 10 times a university president's salary in support of an entertainment product. Worrying about the corner cases is such a bore.

The sports programs that pay huge salaries to coaches are almost always self funded. And the football and basketball revenue covers the cost of the non revenue sports. Yes, it's a weird thing the coaches are paid more than presidents, but it's not taxpayer or even tuition funded.

Wong-- 90% of NCAA Division 1 sports departments are subsidized by the college, sometimes by millions of dollars a year.

Those aren't generally the ones paying coaches 10x the college president.