Proximity Percentage Set-Aside Preference Inquiry [PK/Elementary]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Proximity preference for individual students eligible for free and reduced meals. There's my policy preference.

YES. Agreed.

+1 yup. giving higher SES families yet another way to up their chances is not needed. Charters are intended to offer some sort of unique curriculum (Montessori, language immersion, etc.) that traditional DCPS don't typically offer (yes, I know about Oyster, et al) and therefore, should provide equal access for all District residents. But if we want to shift the conversation slightly to one that would help poor children gain access to the the successful charter down the street from the public housing unit, then I'm all for it. And I'd go so far as to say that those charters should do outreach to those families to make them aware of their options.

So OP, if you're a college-educated professional earning a middle class salary who drives a car who's trying to figure out some angle to get a leg up for a HRCS in your hood be careful. Your self-serving attempt could quickly result in a policy that makes it more difficult for you to win a spot.

I can think of a few charters in my quite gentrified neighborhood that are in close proximity to public housing and their enrollment is almost 100% economically disadvantaged. This seems to be largely a result of proximity and the fact that nearby middle to high SES families don't apply and enroll. Some have, but they have switched out. Not sure what these schools offer that is significantly different than DCPS.

[Anonymous]

I reject your premise; no one in their right mind would choose Sela over TR!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Proximity preference for individual students eligible for free and reduced meals. There's my policy preference.

YES. Agreed.

+1 yup. giving higher SES families yet another way to up their chances is not needed. Charters are intended to offer some sort of unique curriculum (Montessori, language immersion, etc.) that traditional DCPS don't typically offer (yes, I know about Oyster, et al) and therefore, should provide equal access for all District residents. But if we want to shift the conversation slightly to one that would help poor children gain access to the the successful charter down the street from the public housing unit, then I'm all for it. And I'd go so far as to say that those charters should do outreach to those families to make them aware of their options.

So OP, if you're a college-educated professional earning a middle class salary who drives a car who's trying to figure out some angle to get a leg up for a HRCS in your hood be careful. Your self-serving attempt could quickly result in a policy that makes it more difficult for you to win a spot.

why have these "unique curriculums" not taken off west of 16th street?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Proximity preference for individual students eligible for free and reduced meals. There's my policy preference.

YES. Agreed.

+1 yup. giving higher SES families yet another way to up their chances is not needed. Charters are intended to offer some sort of unique curriculum (Montessori, language immersion, etc.) that traditional DCPS don't typically offer (yes, I know about Oyster, et al) and therefore, should provide equal access for all District residents. But if we want to shift the conversation slightly to one that would help poor children gain access to the the successful charter down the street from the public housing unit, then I'm all for it. And I'd go so far as to say that those charters should do outreach to those families to make them aware of their options.

So OP, if you're a college-educated professional earning a middle class salary who drives a car who's trying to figure out some angle to get a leg up for a HRCS in your hood be careful. Your self-serving attempt could quickly result in a policy that makes it more difficult for you to win a spot.

why have these "unique curriculums" not taken off west of 16th street?

Charters are supposed to innovate with different curriculums, teaching styles, length of school day etc in an effort to better serve students that traditional schools are failing.

Students west of 16th St aren't being poorly served so schools aren't failing. So charters aren't going to be approved to open there. Also, the real estate is too expensive for them to make the finances work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Proximity preference for individual students eligible for free and reduced meals. There's my policy preference.

YES. Agreed.

+1 yup. giving higher SES families yet another way to up their chances is not needed. Charters are intended to offer some sort of unique curriculum (Montessori, language immersion, etc.) that traditional DCPS don't typically offer (yes, I know about Oyster, et al) and therefore, should provide equal access for all District residents. But if we want to shift the conversation slightly to one that would help poor children gain access to the the successful charter down the street from the public housing unit, then I'm all for it. And I'd go so far as to say that those charters should do outreach to those families to make them aware of their options.

So OP, if you're a college-educated professional earning a middle class salary who drives a car who's trying to figure out some angle to get a leg up for a HRCS in your hood be careful. Your self-serving attempt could quickly result in a policy that makes it more difficult for you to win a spot.

why have these "unique curriculums" not taken off west of 16th street?

Charters are supposed to innovate with different curriculums, teaching styles, length of school day etc in an effort to better serve students that traditional schools are failing.

Students west of 16th St aren't being poorly served so schools aren't failing. So charters aren't going to be approved to open there. Also, the real estate is too expensive for them to make the finances work.

I'd say there's a good few neighborhoods being sold out to charters. That's just me though..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Proximity preference for individual students eligible for free and reduced meals. There's my policy preference.

This!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I believe that it is safe to say that the large majority of parents want their children to attend a "good school" [solid academics + safe environment] that is close by [10-15 minute distance or less being ideal].

Another assumption is that families might make an exception if they have an opportunity to attend a school with special programs [ex. Montessori and/or foreign language] and an environment that they consider excellent, and may be willing to endure a 30-40 minute distance for the opportunity.

Given that there is a large amount of charter schools covering most of DC east of 14th Street NW, what are thoughts in regard to charters offering a percent set-aside to nearby families. Say a school sets aside 20-30% for a localized lottery that would give nearby parents a better chance of their children attending a school in close proximity to their homes.

For example: Imagine that a family lives close to Sela but they are accepted to Two Rivers. They would prefer Sela because it is a 5 minute commute, but because they did not get in they will accept Two Rivers which might be a 20-45 minute rush hour commute.

Likewise, in addition to commute distance, more children from a community might attend the nearby charter if there was a certain proximity preference, thus fostering a stronger relationship between the school and the immediate community and those families.

Would a percentage set-aside be of interest? Does your opinion vary based on whether you "won" a nearby school / are already in the charter system / etc. ? Does your opinion vary based on your proximity (or lack thereof) to charters that you would want your child to attend? Should the charter lottery always be completely open to the entire city for all schools and never factor in SES, proximity, or any other factor?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Proximity preference for individual students eligible for free and reduced meals. There's my policy preference.

YES. Agreed.

+1 yup. giving higher SES families yet another way to up their chances is not needed. Charters are intended to offer some sort of unique curriculum (Montessori, language immersion, etc.) that traditional DCPS don't typically offer (yes, I know about Oyster, et al) and therefore, should provide equal access for all District residents. But if we want to shift the conversation slightly to one that would help poor children gain access to the the successful charter down the street from the public housing unit, then I'm all for it. And I'd go so far as to say that those charters should do outreach to those families to make them aware of their options.

So OP, if you're a college-educated professional earning a middle class salary who drives a car who's trying to figure out some angle to get a leg up for a HRCS in your hood be careful. Your self-serving attempt could quickly result in a policy that makes it more difficult for you to win a spot.

why have these "unique curriculums" not taken off west of 16th street?

Ask the people who live west of 16th street why they're attending LAMB and Latin and YY and Basis and DCI. They have the option to stay WOTP and chose not to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I believe that it is safe to say that the large majority of parents want their children to attend a "good school" [solid academics + safe environment] that is close by [10-15 minute distance or less being ideal].

Another assumption is that families might make an exception if they have an opportunity to attend a school with special programs [ex. Montessori and/or foreign language] and an environment that they consider excellent, and may be willing to endure a 30-40 minute distance for the opportunity.

Given that there is a large amount of charter schools covering most of DC east of 14th Street NW, what are thoughts in regard to charters offering a percent set-aside to nearby families. Say a school sets aside 20-30% for a localized lottery that would give nearby parents a better chance of their children attending a school in close proximity to their homes.

For example: Imagine that a family lives close to Sela but they are accepted to Two Rivers. They would prefer Sela because it is a 5 minute commute, but because they did not get in they will accept Two Rivers which might be a 20-45 minute rush hour commute.

Likewise, in addition to commute distance, more children from a community might attend the nearby charter if there was a certain proximity preference, thus fostering a stronger relationship between the school and the immediate community and those families.

Would a percentage set-aside be of interest? Does your opinion vary based on whether you "won" a nearby school / are already in the charter system / etc. ? Does your opinion vary based on your proximity (or lack thereof) to charters that you would want your child to attend? Should the charter lottery always be completely open to the entire city for all schools and never factor in SES, proximity, or any other factor?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

You think charter schools will make choices that make themselves look worse?? Do you also need proof that water is wet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I believe that it is safe to say that the large majority of parents want their children to attend a "good school" [solid academics + safe environment] that is close by [10-15 minute distance or less being ideal].

Another assumption is that families might make an exception if they have an opportunity to attend a school with special programs [ex. Montessori and/or foreign language] and an environment that they consider excellent, and may be willing to endure a 30-40 minute distance for the opportunity.

Given that there is a large amount of charter schools covering most of DC east of 14th Street NW, what are thoughts in regard to charters offering a percent set-aside to nearby families. Say a school sets aside 20-30% for a localized lottery that would give nearby parents a better chance of their children attending a school in close proximity to their homes.

For example: Imagine that a family lives close to Sela but they are accepted to Two Rivers. They would prefer Sela because it is a 5 minute commute, but because they did not get in they will accept Two Rivers which might be a 20-45 minute rush hour commute.

Likewise, in addition to commute distance, more children from a community might attend the nearby charter if there was a certain proximity preference, thus fostering a stronger relationship between the school and the immediate community and those families.

Would a percentage set-aside be of interest? Does your opinion vary based on whether you "won" a nearby school / are already in the charter system / etc. ? Does your opinion vary based on your proximity (or lack thereof) to charters that you would want your child to attend? Should the charter lottery always be completely open to the entire city for all schools and never factor in SES, proximity, or any other factor?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

The charters that are open and willing to do proximity preference are in wards 7 & 8. It costs them nothing. It's a reasonable promise for them to get access to closed DCPS buildings on that side of the river.

Let me guess:

A) you live EOTP, and there are a bunch of great charters near you
B) you haven't bothered to look up this subject on DCUM (which is approaching dead-horse-beaten-to-glue)

Why should IT or CM or YY or LAMB or Stokes or whatever HRC you want into offer proximity preference? They have WLs a mile long, and offering preference to YOU limits access to students Wards 7 & 8. Everyone already thinks those schools are too exclusive (they aren't but that's beside the point), so what do they have to gain to opt in to this proximity-preference plan?

I get it that it suits you, but you don't get that it doesn't suit anybody else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

You think charter schools will make choices that make themselves look worse?? Do you also need proof that water is wet?

So the city has handed over decisional authority to these charters to determine what is good for them?

Sorry - again, not convincing. To whom are these charters ultimately accountable? Themselves or the city / communities in which they locate.

There has been an explosion of charters in some areas, and certain requirements would not stop that. And many of these charters have established themselves with very little real community outreach. Way way less outreach than DCPS would engage.

Water being wet has nothing to do with this. There are always adjustments that can be made to a system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

You think charter schools will make choices that make themselves look worse?? Do you also need proof that water is wet?

So the city has handed over decisional authority to these charters to determine what is good for them?

Sorry - again, not convincing. To whom are these charters ultimately accountable? Themselves or the city / communities in which they locate.

There has been an explosion of charters in some areas, and certain requirements would not stop that. And many of these charters have established themselves with very little real community outreach. Way way less outreach than DCPS would engage.

Water being wet has nothing to do with this. There are always adjustments that can be made to a system.

This has been answered a thousand times. It is not beneficial to offer proximity preference to HRCs. You want proximity preference to KIPP in Ward 7? You got it. You want proximity preference for LAMB or IT? Fat chance. The WL is longer than the nerds camping out for a new Star Wars film and neither the city nor the school has any reason to let you cut to the front just because you live near the theater. It only limits the chances of the kids EOTR, and there are more of them than there are of you.

There will be no proximity prefs for HRCs. If you want proximity pref, move to Anacostia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

You think charter schools will make choices that make themselves look worse?? Do you also need proof that water is wet?

So the city has handed over decisional authority to these charters to determine what is good for them?

Sorry - again, not convincing. To whom are these charters ultimately accountable? Themselves or the city / communities in which they locate.

There has been an explosion of charters in some areas, and certain requirements would not stop that. And many of these charters have established themselves with very little real community outreach. Way way less outreach than DCPS would engage.

Water being wet has nothing to do with this. There are always adjustments that can be made to a system.

This has been answered a thousand times. It is not beneficial to offer proximity preference to HRCs. You want proximity preference to KIPP in Ward 7? You got it. You want proximity preference for LAMB or IT? Fat chance. The WL is longer than the nerds camping out for a new Star Wars film and neither the city nor the school has any reason to let you cut to the front just because you live near the theater. It only limits the chances of the kids EOTR, and there are more of them than there are of you.

There will be no proximity prefs for HRCs. If you want proximity pref, move to Anacostia.

Not beneficial to who?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

You think charter schools will make choices that make themselves look worse?? Do you also need proof that water is wet?

So the city has handed over decisional authority to these charters to determine what is good for them?

Sorry - again, not convincing. To whom are these charters ultimately accountable? Themselves or the city / communities in which they locate.

There has been an explosion of charters in some areas, and certain requirements would not stop that. And many of these charters have established themselves with very little real community outreach. Way way less outreach than DCPS would engage.

Water being wet has nothing to do with this. There are always adjustments that can be made to a system.

This has been answered a thousand times. It is not beneficial to offer proximity preference to HRCs. You want proximity preference to KIPP in Ward 7? You got it. You want proximity preference for LAMB or IT? Fat chance. The WL is longer than the nerds camping out for a new Star Wars film and neither the city nor the school has any reason to let you cut to the front just because you live near the theater. It only limits the chances of the kids EOTR, and there are more of them than there are of you.

There will be no proximity prefs for HRCs. If you want proximity pref, move to Anacostia.

It's funny that you think this is such a written in stone matter.

The East of the River trope is pretty rich too. SLED numbers show that there is less than 3% EOTR kids in sought after Ward 4 & 5 charters. Sounds righteous for you to say - but in reality, pretty empty.

And whenever anybody say "you should move..... for ....." I say "f*€% off"

Get over yourself.. You sound very much like somebody who wouldn't follow their own advice.