white collar vs. blue collar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America's obsession with the proper job title and blue collar vs. white collar is laughable.

Know what jobs are respected in other countries? Jobs. That's it. Having a job is respected.

I grew up in France and my father was garbage man. When I tell people in the US what my father did, they make a face and some say, "oh, sorry, I didn't realize." as if I should be ashamed that he went to work each day and provided for his family. I actually had one friend (now ex-friend) tell me that I shouldn't demean him by not calling him a sanitation engineer!

I don't look down on any workers. I admire my doctors who had the intelligence and drive to follow that path. I also admire that my lawn service guy can transform an ugly patch of land into a beautiful garden for me. I appreciate the bathroom attendant at fancy restaurants who goes in after each person uses the bathroom to make sure the seats are free of pee sprinkles.

This. My dad's a retired union electrician who built his own house. He can't spell to save his life and wouldn't read a book unless someone was pointing a gun at his head, but he worked hard everyday to provide for our family, sometimes in the freezing cold or hottest heat. His union health insurance helped to pay for several surgeries I needed as a child to correct a congential head/neck defect. I"m proud of him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares? Most of us are being treated like shit anyway. At least some blue collar jobs still have union.

i work at a large financial company. I work in an open area, sitting at a long desk, I have 24 inches of space, and surrounded by Indian H1Bs from Hexaware. I have no space for personal items. I have no space for thinking. My productivity is a low as it can get yet some MBA got a promotion for saving money on office space.

software developers need a union.

Then get your coworkers together and unionize. What's stopping you?

if I speak up I am fired. they have terminated most of the white people my age over the last 8 years. I know, I am keeping a list.

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most of the developers are now H1B guest workers. How do we organize when the majority of labor is legalized temp workers?

I have a lot of respect for union leaders that have organized over the years. coal miners had fear of dying on the job.

Being an H1B doesn't prevent them from joining. If you're serious, contact the computer and communication workers union. They will do all the heavy lifting for you. And tell them you're concerned about being fired by speaking up. That of course would be illegal.

Btw I hope you're keeping your list in a safe place. If you are terminated, invest in an hour with a good employment law attorney.

$10 says hes the same guy who posts about how many H1-Bs Capital One hires every year in every thread about h1bs or visas or employment or unions he can. He's on some kind of ill informed crusade to prove that the firm fires people to replace them with contractors (despite the demonstrable fact it costs more money to hire contractors, and there are publicized internal goals to reduce reliance on external IT staff). On the backdrop of what I can only assume is an openly disgruntled attitude, he benoans how he's not getting promoted. Yea, it's a real head scratcher.

[Anonymous]

Don Draper versus Al Bundy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America's obsession with the proper job title and blue collar vs. white collar is laughable.

Know what jobs are respected in other countries? Jobs. That's it. Having a job is respected.

I grew up in France and my father was garbage man. When I tell people in the US what my father did, they make a face and some say, "oh, sorry, I didn't realize." as if I should be ashamed that he went to work each day and provided for his family. I actually had one friend (now ex-friend) tell me that I shouldn't demean him by not calling him a sanitation engineer!

I don't look down on any workers. I admire my doctors who had the intelligence and drive to follow that path. I also admire that my lawn service guy can transform an ugly patch of land into a beautiful garden for me. I appreciate the bathroom attendant at fancy restaurants who goes in after each person uses the bathroom to make sure the seats are free of pee sprinkles.

a way more equitable taxation system is what prevents the us from having a more equitable respect for a wide range of jobs.

Does your dad have any legendary french strike stories to share?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do you consider jobs like physical therapist, occupational therapist, etc.? White collar or blue collar?

Pink collar

[Anonymous]

I would consider it white.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you consider jobs like physical therapist, occupational therapist, etc.? White collar or blue collar?

Pink collar

+1.

Highly educated but usually moderately paid jobs that require a fair bit of physical labor.