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Anonymous
SWS also has some of the challenges that CMI is having in their upper grades (I don't know as much about ITS). Touchy feely child centered is great until your kid starts missing academic metrics for middle school preparedness. |
Anonymous
| PP what academic metrics do you feel are missed at SWS? Is there a certain grade where you think the kids are being left behind academically? I thought SWS was supposed to be a great school. |
Anonymous
And I would say CMI, ITS> SWS but nobody asked me 
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Anonymous
I'm an SWS parent and this hasn't been our experience at all. I'm not blind to what I perceive as negatives at SWS, but that is really not one of them. Our upper-grade kid has had his best teachers, and made the largest academic strides, in third and fourth. I'm actually looking forward to our second child reaching those grades--they're that good. |
Anonymous
True that MS feed is an issue at SWS like pretty much everywhere else in Ward 6. What performance metrics exactly did SWS miss? Every school has room for improvement and SWS has yet to test at 5th grade where many DCPS/DCPCS schools see a drain. I wouldn't discount the impact of affluence at SWS or inequality anywhere else but the scores are objectively good. In context the scores also speak volumes for the achievement levels at DC PREP and KIPP with less affluent communities. Math proficiency Creative Minds International PCS 26.6 Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 32.6 Latin American Montessori Bilingual PCS 47.8 School Within School at Goding 63.3 ELA proficiency Creative Minds International PCS 32.6 Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 35.6 Latin American Montessori Bilingual PCS 56.7 School Within School at Goding 65.8 top 5 PCS Math proficiency KIPP DC PCS Promise Academy 74.1% DC Preparatory Academy PCS Edgewood Elementary 69.1% KIPP DC Lead Academy PCS 64.2% KIPP DC Heights Academy PCS 64.0% DC Preparatory Academy PCS Edgewood Middle 59.2% Washington Yu Ying PCS 58.8% top 5 PCA ELA proficiency DC Preparatory Academy PCS Edgewood Middle 58.2% Latin American Montessori Bilingual PCS 56.7% DC Preparatory Academy PCS Edgewood Elementary 55.9% Washington Yu Ying PCS 50.7% KIPP DC PCS Promise Academy 47.1% top 10 DCPS ELA proficiency Mann ES 81.4% Stoddert ES 71.7% Key ES 71.6% Eaton ES 71.0% Ross ES 70.6% Janney ES 69.4% Lafayette ES 67.2% Murch ES 66.3% School Within School at Goding 65.8% Hyde Addison ES 61.0% top 10 DCPS Math proficiency Lafayette ES 82.6% Janney ES 77.0% Mann ES 76.8% Stoddert ES 75.9% Ross ES 74.5% Hyde Addison ES 72.7% Key ES 72.3% Eaton ES 70.8% Murch ES 70.3% School Within School at Goding 63.3% |
Anonymous
Are those numbers for 3rd grade or overall school numbers? Since SWS does not have a 5th grade, overall numbers would misrepresent the overall picture. This should be for 3rd grade only. |
Anonymous
no -- it's for 3rd and 4th grade. It doesn't misrepresent anything and the absence of 5th was clearly noted. 16-7 5th grade is half the size of 15-16 and will only comprise %20 of 16-17 overall test takers |
Anonymous
^^ 5th grade is about 1/2 size of 15-16 4th grade |
Anonymous
No, I mean -- do the other school's states you cited include 5th grade? If they do, you're making an apples to oranges comparison. |
Anonymous
SWS has a designated middle school feed - Eliot-Hine. So perhaps, you meant to say that SWS doesn't have a MS feed that is acceptable to you. And in terms of academic preparedness, I'm an SWS parent with children in younger and older grades. The school will readily admit that it's learning what works and what doesn't work - as evidenced by the changes in curriculum and approach. My younger child is having a vastly different experience. I think whether you're happy as a parent with an older student has a lot to do with whether your student is 'succeeding.' I am of the belief that given the school's demographics, test scores should be higher given the documented correlation between affluence and test scores and the fact that the school has taught the majority of these kids since PK4; FYI - the school's FARMS rate is 10% and that includes the the medically-fragile classrooms. I think the scores are not as high because the school was expanding and going through a learning curve. For those of you entering in EC years, I'd pay attention to how quickly PARCC scores increase - that will be a signal as to how quickly SWS is navigating the learning curve. |
Anonymous
PP, can you explain what you mean? Your younger child is having a vastly different experience now than your older child did in the same year of school? If so, what changes have you noticed? |
Anonymous
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Anonymous
+1. ITS for example may appear to be all white and rich, the scores you quote are 3rd-7th graders. Of which are probably 50+% farm and 90% minority. |
Anonymous
fair enough on education campus number includes MS grades but the numbers are lower in those grades than 3-5 and CMI tested though 6th has too few students to break down reporting (45 total test takers in 3-6). Doesn't change top PARCC performers -- KIPP ES and DC PREP are campus models but break after 4th/3rd and Yu Ying thru 5th. All of the DCPS ES listed are through 5th -- 5th has smaller class sizes in many places making it less statistically significant. But if it makes you feel better here's apples to apples on LAMB and IT 3rd ELA Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 38% Latin American Montessori Bilingual LAMB PCS 43.9% School Within School at Goding 71.8% 4th ELA Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 23.1% Latin American Montessori Bilingual LAMB PCS 68% School Within School at Goding 60% 3rd Math Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 44% Latin American Montessori Bilingual LAMB PCS 39% School Within School at Goding 61.5% 4th Math Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 34.6% Latin American Montessori Bilingual LAMB PCS 52% School Within School at Goding 65% |
Anonymous
That seems about right. Looks like the 3rd graders at LAMB and ITS did about the same. From what I know of both schools, they are pretty similar in demographics at that age. However, 4th graders at ITS is when you really see the stark change in the school's demographics. Not making excuses. But ITS 4th graders (today's 5th grade) is entirely minority and has disproportionate low income. There are maybe 16 kids in that class, maybe 10 that are not new to ITS. It's hard to really compare apples to apples at this point. Do you know the approx. demographics at SWS at that grade? |