Anyone ever read "Third Tier Reality" blog?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happened to law:

1. As people realized it was too difficult to enter science, medicine, engineering, math, economics or similar fields, they turned to a profession with then high incomes and the glut of lawyers began.

2. Many laws were passed (Dodd-Frank, Sarbanes-Oxley) to provide more low level employment for lawyers.
This made lawyers think it would be easy to obtain a job outside of a law firm.

3. Technology advances created a need for patent lawyers, intellectual property, etc. lawyers, and this again made people think there were plenty of jobs.

4. Women entered the field of law in large numbers beginning in the 1970s because it was an easier professional degree to obtain (see #1 above). Any time women enter a field, pay goes down.

5. Technology replaced functions once done by new associates, so less need for them.

It is simple: Too many people looking for an easier to enter field than sciences and too few jobs. If these people learned something useful, they could have a very good job.

This exactly!

Compared to those other majors in college, pre-law is a breeze.

Right now all of the college aged people I meet are Psychology majors. I predict the same thing for the Psych field in the next 5-7 yrs.

really? i never meet any psych majors. I meet tons of econ majors - which is what mirrors this:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/05/why-are-college-students-flocking-to-economics.html

there's a massive bubble in econ degrees - i tell grads now if you don't go to a school with strong OCI or alumni base don't major in econ.

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This isn't really new info. I applies to law school in '04 and ended up at Duke (ranked roughly 10th). It was widely acknowledged even then that at any school lower than about 15th you needed to be top 10% of your class and any school not in the top 30 or so, don't even bother.

WTF was this guy thinking going to Drake in the first place?

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I have come across this before but not in a while. Why does he use yellow font so much? That is awful.

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This was my go to blog when I was in law school from 2008 - 2011. It was the reason I applied to non-law fed jobs and escaped the legal field (but not the student loans). Thanks for the trip down memory lane! Maybe I will send my school that $0.10 donation check in honor of Nando.

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i remember nando from JD underground. i posted there when i was working in shitlaw. i got banned by the admin and a few years later, i am in biglaw. coincidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what happened to law:

1. As people realized it was too difficult to enter science, medicine, engineering, math, economics or similar fields, they turned to a profession with then high incomes and the glut of lawyers began.

2. Many laws were passed (Dodd-Frank, Sarbanes-Oxley) to provide more low level employment for lawyers.
This made lawyers think it would be easy to obtain a job outside of a law firm.

3. Technology advances created a need for patent lawyers, intellectual property, etc. lawyers, and this again made people think there were plenty of jobs.

4. Women entered the field of law in large numbers beginning in the 1970s because it was an easier professional degree to obtain (see #1 above). Any time women enter a field, pay goes down.

5. Technology replaced functions once done by new associates, so less need for them.

It is simple: Too many people looking for an easier to enter field than sciences and too few jobs. If these people learned something useful, they could have a very good job.

This exactly!

Compared to those other majors in college, pre-law is a breeze.

Right now all of the college aged people I meet are Psychology majors. I predict the same thing for the Psych field in the next 5-7 yrs.

Most lawyers did not major in pre-law.

Indeed, at least 15 years ago, "pre-law" majors were actively discouraged by major law schools. they get and take a lot of English or Political Science Majors, but they love getting people with STEM or business undergrad backgrounds. even arts. Honestly, just about any degree is more useful for law school than being "pre law". It's not like being premed, where there are a lot of prerequisites you need to understand the field and do well in med school. They want people with training in critical thinking.

There are too many shitty lawyers in the world, not enough good ones, like many fields. and law school, in most instances, is not very good prep for practicing. It provides a very basic grounding and connections in the field, but most skills are learned on the job. Taking out 10s of 1000s or even 100s of 1000s of dollars in loans for a law school that won't give you good connections is increasingly insane. I have a good friend who teaches at a good regional law school. They bust their humps to get their graduates employed. The job hunt training, internships, and the recomendation process is at least as important as the classes. Even so, she struggles with the idea, I think, that some of her bottom tier students are inevitably screwed.

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I just read TTR for the first time and went to the author's first-ever post, which reads, in part:

The Career Development Office is dedicated to finding jobs for the top ten percent of each law school class. If you are among the remaining 90 percent, you better start looking for your own job

Um ... no, duh? This is true everywhere, from undergrad to MBAs and on. What did he expect, to sit with an outstretched hand while Big Law and cushy gigs dropped offers into his lap (the author readily admits that he goes to a school he later refers to as a "trash pit," among other things)?

[Anonymous]

It's a great site that warns you about law school greed. Let's not forget that many law schools were forced to change employment statistics after finding many would make up stats on employment with fluffed numbers. This has changed thanks to sites like these.

Law schools is not for everyone and you should think twice about the lies pushed by desperate law schools.

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You know what people, STEM isn't the be all and end all of degrees either. Plenty of STEM graduates lose jobs to outsourced firms in India or H1B. There is no certain career anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what people, STEM isn't the be all and end all of degrees either. Plenty of STEM graduates lose jobs to outsourced firms in India or H1B. There is no certain career anymore.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know what people, STEM isn't the be all and end all of degrees either. Plenty of STEM graduates lose jobs to outsourced firms in India or H1B. There is no certain career anymore.

physicians?

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Anonymous wrote:It may come as a surprise to some, but even the work of an attorney can be largely automated.

Yes, I sold an eDiscovery software that did just that. This software replaced people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know what people, STEM isn't the be all and end all of degrees either. Plenty of STEM graduates lose jobs to outsourced firms in India or H1B. There is no certain career anymore.

This.

Im in IT sales and i would stay so far away from the technical side. Absolute abuse of the worker visa program. Companies want complacent workers who will not ask for raises, won't demand decent benefits, don't want to rock the boat, who are basically in fear of being sent home.

Yes yes yes, there are ardent supporters, but then there is reality. It's a loophole and coporations will exploit it.

Sales is where the big money is at. I'm a mercenary and have no problems switching teams and have done so a half dozrn times for greener pastures meaning better accounts, lower quota, better comp, and sweeter RSUs.