Report: Many Black, Hispanic Science Majors Err in Choosing Elite Cal Campuses

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Just because you keep writing these threads doesn't mean your're right.

[Anonymous]

The hostility here is really hard to believe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is true for everyone. Not just "Black and Hispanic Science majors."

It's shocking how many people pay a fortune to go to higher ranked schools, when they can go to a perfectly good, but less "prestigious" school for a fraction of the cost.

For this reason, I have little sympathy for people who spend 50k per year on college and then cry about it.

Did you read the article? I don't think cost is the problem they are talking about here.

NP.. yes, it's about the fact that many are not prepared for the academic rigors of a science major at the top two UC schools.

No dog in this fight, but like most people I can see both sides. However the first article is flawed based on data from 1990s. The second article is more credible. I think it is common sense that all students at a top school benefit, even the students not at the top. These days, the graduation rates at top schools is very high (one of the reasons they are top schools) of all students is high and comparable among all groups, including athletes, legacies, etc.

I don't think this is "common sense" -- it is far more nuanced and depends on many particulars. Just for one example, if you are applying to law school, med school, etc. GPA's still matter quite a bit. Many threads on DCUM completely unrelated to admissions/URM issues argue that all students should be sure to attend a school where they will achieve a high GPA for pre-professional students. I am sure in that case the A student from Harvard has advantages over the A student from Maryland, but the A student from Maryland may have advantages there over the B student from Harvard. This is not a racial issue. If some admitted students are not as well prepared as others for the most competitive schools, they may not do as well. The conversation only takes on any racial or socio-economic context if race or socio-economics are given substantially more weight for some students than academic preparation in admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is true for everyone. Not just "Black and Hispanic Science majors."

It's shocking how many people pay a fortune to go to higher ranked schools, when they can go to a perfectly good, but less "prestigious" school for a fraction of the cost.

For this reason, I have little sympathy for people who spend 50k per year on college and then cry about it.

Did you read the article? I don't think cost is the problem they are talking about here.

NP.. yes, it's about the fact that many are not prepared for the academic rigors of a science major at the top two UC schools.

No dog in this fight, but like most people I can see both sides. However the first article is flawed based on data from 1990s. The second article is more credible. I think it is common sense that all students at a top school benefit, even the students not at the top. These days, the graduation rates at top schools is very high (one of the reasons they are top schools) of all students is high and comparable among all groups, including athletes, legacies, etc.

Well, it all depends. As the article stated, a person graduating with a STEM degree from a 2nd tier CA univ. generally can out-earn a non STEM major from Cal or UCLA. So, if the person is really interested in STEM and wants to find a good paying job after college, and if that person can't hack it at Cal, then it does make sense to transfer to a 2nd tier CA univ. and graduate with a STEM degree.

Many SV companies hire from Cal State univ. like SJSU and Cal Polys.