Taking IAAT in 5th Grade

[Anonymous]

Yes I understand correctly. He is doing the 4th grade compacted math curriculum in third. Next year he will take 6th grade math and so on. He was tested in the beginning of the year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He is in 3rd currently. For math he goes to the 4th grade AAP class for math. Next year he'll go to a 5th grade AAP class for 6th grade math and so on. In 5th grade he'll be taking 7th grade math and all the testing to go with it.

Is your child in 3rd grade Gen Ed or 3rd grade AAP?

3rd grade AAP. We kept him at our base school for Local Level IV if that makes a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is in 3rd currently. For math he goes to the 4th grade AAP class for math. Next year he'll go to a 5th grade AAP class for 6th grade math and so on. In 5th grade he'll be taking 7th grade math and all the testing to go with it.

Are you sure you are understanding this correctly?
You can be "on track" because that's just how AAP goes but the child has to qualify for further differentiation

I have a 5th grader and I thought:

3rd grade AAP takes a combination of 3rd and 4th grade Math, takes 3rd grade SOL
4th grade AAP takes 4th grade and 5th grade math and takes 4th grade SOL.
5th grade AAP takes 6th grade math and takes 6th grade SOL. (But now I see a PP here say that the IAAT can be taken summer before 6th grade? Which would make sense since there are some 6th graders who take Algebra in the middle school.
6th grade takes 7th grade SOL. During 6th grade, they take the IAAT. Must score 91 and pass advanced on SOL to qualify for Algebra 1 in 7th grade.

It sounds like PP is not doing the normal AAP math track.

Yes, there's a stupid push in some AAP grade schools to bus some of their math students to middle school for Algebra 1 in 6th grade. Many teachers are against it because even math whizzes often aren't ready for the rigor of a middle school honors class, but that crazy horse has left the barn so some teachers are recommending their kids take the Iowa Test after 5th grade as opposed to 6th.

My kids' math teachers at a center middle school hated this practice -- which sometimes saw 8th graders being sent to high schools for Algebra II Trig. Too many parents with kids at the margin are starting to push for this with the result that more kids are showing up in higher level maths without a grounding in the basics. The brilliant ones can usually get by if they do the work, others struggle unnecessarily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes I understand correctly. He is doing the 4th grade compacted math curriculum in third. Next year he will take 6th grade math and so on. He was tested in the beginning of the year.

So he's in 3rd grade AAP taking 4th grade compacted Math curriculum (which I'm guessing is AAP?)
Then when he's in 4th grade, he'll be taking 6th grade Math?

[Anonymous]

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is in 3rd currently. For math he goes to the 4th grade AAP class for math. Next year he'll go to a 5th grade AAP class for 6th grade math and so on. In 5th grade he'll be taking 7th grade math and all the testing to go with it.

Are you sure you are understanding this correctly?
You can be "on track" because that's just how AAP goes but the child has to qualify for further differentiation

I have a 5th grader and I thought:

3rd grade AAP takes a combination of 3rd and 4th grade Math, takes 3rd grade SOL
4th grade AAP takes 4th grade and 5th grade math and takes 4th grade SOL.
5th grade AAP takes 6th grade math and takes 6th grade SOL. (But now I see a PP here say that the IAAT can be taken summer before 6th grade? Which would make sense since there are some 6th graders who take Algebra in the middle school.
6th grade takes 7th grade SOL. During 6th grade, they take the IAAT. Must score 91 and pass advanced on SOL to qualify for Algebra 1 in 7th grade.

It sounds like PP is not doing the normal AAP math track.

Yes, there's a stupid push in some AAP grade schools to bus some of their math students to middle school for Algebra 1 in 6th grade. Many teachers are against it because even math whizzes often aren't ready for the rigor of a middle school honors class, but that crazy horse has left the barn so some teachers are recommending their kids take the Iowa Test after 5th grade as opposed to 6th.

My kids' math teachers at a center middle school hated this practice -- which sometimes saw 8th graders being sent to high schools for Algebra II Trig. Too many parents with kids at the margin are starting to push for this with the result that more kids are showing up in higher level maths without a grounding in the basics. The brilliant ones can usually get by if they do the work, others struggle unnecessarily.

My child did this, and it was no big deal at all, nothing like you're describing in fact. He excelled in his math classes even though he was two years ahead rather than one and I suspect that wasn't always the case for many of the students in his class--the reason I'm saying this is that he'd come back and say something like "math was boring today because we got the tests back and the teacher gave us a long lecture about studying harder for the test", and then I'd ask what he got, thinking he'd bombed and he'd say something like 46/44 (including the bonus questions).
There simply is a subset of kids in the system who are fully ready for that level of challenge, and in fact, there are far more who are ready than FCPS is willing to admit and instruct at that level. There are some kids who are even far more advanced--ready for calculus by middle school type of thing, but at that level the parents know there's nothing the school system can do for them and they pursue other avenues for substantial math instruction.
In addition, the implementation is virtually entirely left to the discretion of individual schools. Some will happily identify the kids and push them into those classes, while others won't hear of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is in 3rd currently. For math he goes to the 4th grade AAP class for math. Next year he'll go to a 5th grade AAP class for 6th grade math and so on. In 5th grade he'll be taking 7th grade math and all the testing to go with it.

Are you sure you are understanding this correctly?
You can be "on track" because that's just how AAP goes but the child has to qualify for further differentiation

I have a 5th grader and I thought:

3rd grade AAP takes a combination of 3rd and 4th grade Math, takes 3rd grade SOL
4th grade AAP takes 4th grade and 5th grade math and takes 4th grade SOL.
5th grade AAP takes 6th grade math and takes 6th grade SOL. (But now I see a PP here say that the IAAT can be taken summer before 6th grade? Which would make sense since there are some 6th graders who take Algebra in the middle school.
6th grade takes 7th grade SOL. During 6th grade, they take the IAAT. Must score 91 and pass advanced on SOL to qualify for Algebra 1 in 7th grade.

It sounds like PP is not doing the normal AAP math track.

Yes, there's a stupid push in some AAP grade schools to bus some of their math students to middle school for Algebra 1 in 6th grade. Many teachers are against it because even math whizzes often aren't ready for the rigor of a middle school honors class, but that crazy horse has left the barn so some teachers are recommending their kids take the Iowa Test after 5th grade as opposed to 6th.

My kids' math teachers at a center middle school hated this practice -- which sometimes saw 8th graders being sent to high schools for Algebra II Trig. Too many parents with kids at the margin are starting to push for this with the result that more kids are showing up in higher level maths without a grounding in the basics. The brilliant ones can usually get by if they do the work, others struggle unnecessarily.

My child did this, and it was no big deal at all, nothing like you're describing in fact. He excelled in his math classes even though he was two years ahead rather than one and I suspect that wasn't always the case for many of the students in his class--the reason I'm saying this is that he'd come back and say something like "math was boring today because we got the tests back and the teacher gave us a long lecture about studying harder for the test", and then I'd ask what he got, thinking he'd bombed and he'd say something like 46/44 (including the bonus questions).
There simply is a subset of kids in the system who are fully ready for that level of challenge, and in fact, there are far more who are ready than FCPS is willing to admit and instruct at that level. There are some kids who are even far more advanced--ready for calculus by middle school type of thing, but at that level the parents know there's nothing the school system can do for them and they pursue other avenues for substantial math instruction.
In addition, the implementation is virtually entirely left to the discretion of individual schools. Some will happily identify the kids and push them into those classes, while others won't hear of it.

If the teacher was lecturing the class about studying harder for the test, that means a significant number of the kids did poorly on the test, even if your son didn't. If the teacher did this on a consistent basis, that would indicate that a significant number of the kids didn't belong in the class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He is in 3rd currently. For math he goes to the 4th grade AAP class for math. Next year he'll go to a 5th grade AAP class for 6th grade math and so on. In 5th grade he'll be taking 7th grade math and all the testing to go with it.

I realize that this thread is dated but new to FC. What criteria are used to accelerate a 3rd grader (presumably AAP) as mentioned by this poster?

Going to the original message in this thread: when is the IAAT given in summer and what is the "additional math reasoning test" mentioned in the OP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is in 3rd currently. For math he goes to the 4th grade AAP class for math. Next year he'll go to a 5th grade AAP class for 6th grade math and so on. In 5th grade he'll be taking 7th grade math and all the testing to go with it.

I realize that this thread is dated but new to FC. What criteria are used to accelerate a 3rd grader (presumably AAP) as mentioned by this poster?

Going to the original message in this thread: when is the IAAT given in summer and what is the "additional math reasoning test" mentioned in the OP?

I'm that poster. When they test at the beginning of the school year he was given an additional test. They used the data from both tests to accelerate him further.

[Anonymous]

Was the second test contingent on a certain level of performance in the first assessment, or did the entire class get both? Can the second test be requested by the parent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was the second test contingent on a certain level of performance in the first assessment, or did the entire class get both? Can the second test be requested by the parent?

Second test was contingent on the first. That may depend on the school though. I think 2 kids in his class took it. Our school did it without my knowledge but I'm sure it can be requested.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know about the summer IAAT testing mentioned in the original post? When is it offered and is it the same as that given in Spring?

[Anonymous]

I have never heard of kids taking the IAAT during the summer. This is totally unnecessary. If next year he moves to the 5 grade AAP math curriculum then he would be taking 6th grade math. OK. Then in 5th grade he would take 7th grade math and could sit for the IAAT just like the 6th graders and then sit for the SOL at the end of the year. FYI - i have a child who took Algebra in 6th. He took the IOWA in 5th grade and then at the end of 5th grade he took the 7th grade SOL. (You need a 91 on the IAAT and pass advance on SOL.)

[Anonymous]

19:13, your experience is dated. Currently, the process by FCPS is that certain 5th graders are given the MRT at the beginning of the summer and, if they obtain the required score, take the IAAT. If they score above a 95%, they are then allowed to take Algebra 1 Honors in 6th grade.

The process to which you are referring was the process in place a few years ago but it has since been modified.

[Anonymous]

What is the required score on the MRT? Is the test taken on a computer? What material is covered in the MRT? The previous two posts have slightly different score requirements -- is it 91 or 95?