NNAT 129 CogAt 130 GBRS 16 Chances?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP asked about people's experience with scores that were not in pool but the child had a high GBRS. At our school, most kids with this GBRS make AAP. But I know of a handful of kids (2, maybe 3) who topped out the GBRS, but we're not admitted.

In looking at this issue, I think it makes a difference that GBRS scores tend to run high at our school. In 4-5 years of being part of our school community, I don't think I've heard of a child having scores below a 14. It seems like 1/2 the parents who share their kids score say a 16. And parents at our school love to "share" (read: compete). It's like the GBRS is a window into TJ chances or something. There are probably kids below a 14 whose parents keep their mouth shut, and that may distort the picture. It is certainly possible some parents are fudging the scores. But when parents gossip, word is [u]scores are always 14+. FWIW, I never shared DCs' scores or GBRS. I suspect, but do not know, that the committee takes the actual scores FROM OUR SCHOOL with a grain of salt and looks at the commentary.

Here's my personal experience: DC1 with scores solidly in pool and GBRS 15 admitted. DC2 just missed pool scores (similar to OPs), but GBRS 14. Not admitted initially. But, admitted on appeal with a FS IQ WISC 132 (much higher verbal & non-verbal (mid 140s) that WM/PS. DD is ADHD).

I'm not sure why you are invested in proving our school is not GBRS inflating. Not your part of the county, not your ES. No one says all of FCPS is this way. I can speak to one school out of 140. So, what's the issue? I'm sure that if GBRS scores are being inflated, the committee is course correcting. Not every in pool or referred kid is admitted. And it's not like there are a set # of slots. So our school's high GBRS scores don't hurt your kid's chances. I would also strongly suspect that GBRS scores for admission are lower at other schools. I sm always surprised when someone from a different ES says that their child with in pool scores got in with an 11-12. That seems low to me. But is apparently above average for their ES.

I think the issue is with how many are in your sampling from which you are making a blanket statement. You say the "word is" when parents gossip the scores are "always a 14." I have never heard a parent share a specific score. Even if you are somewhere where that is done, your sampling would be just a few parents who personally told you their scores.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely true. Welcome to getting your diagnosis from Dr. Internet. In my case, the diagnosis is pretty benign: It's hard to know if an out of pool GBRS 16 is an automatic entry to AAP without knowing your school. I'm not pretending to be a 2nd grade teacher or a member of the screening committee. Nearly everyone on this thread and similar threads is giving opinions based on their kids and the scores of other kids they've heard about. The people who say of course DC is in with a 16? That is almost certainly based on their limited experience too. And they do not know if their are kids without 16s who were denied entry, because they have not seen every score either.

In my case, at least, I probably end up hearing 6-8 sets of stats a year. And many, many more the two years my kids went through. And also second hand accounts of test scores & GBRS scores (X's mom told me that hIs scores just missed the pool and his GBRS is 15). I don't really agree with sharing your child's test scores. But a lot of parents do. And I'm sure that it doesn't help that the AAP Center is our base school. I think parents must be nuttier in the younger grades than they would be if we were not a Center.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely true. Welcome to getting your diagnosis from Dr. Internet. In my case, the diagnosis is pretty benign: It's hard to know if an out of pool GBRS 16 is an automatic entry to AAP without knowing your school. I'm not pretending to be a 2nd grade teacher or a member of the screening committee. Nearly everyone on this thread and similar threads is giving opinions based on their kids and the scores of other kids they've heard about. The people who say of course DC is in with a 16? That is almost certainly based on their limited experience too. And they do not know if their are kids without 16s who were denied entry, because they have not seen every score either.

In my case, at least, I probably end up hearing 6-8 sets of stats a year. And many, many more the two years my kids went through. And also second hand accounts of test scores & GBRS scores (X's mom told me that hIs scores just missed the pool and his GBRS is 15). I don't really agree with sharing your child's test scores. But a lot of parents do. And I'm sure that it doesn't help that the AAP Center is our base school. I think parents must be nuttier in the younger grades than they would be if we were not a Center.

We're at a center and I've no idea of anyone else's GBRS or precise test scores except for my own kids'.

[Anonymous]

I would suspect in. My experience is only based on my two youngest children.

Child #2 had a 16, but CogAt was signficantly lower than the borderline Naglieri (116 and 127 I think)

Child #3 had a 16, and CogAt and Naglieri were both in the 120's (124, 126 I think)

Child #2 was not admitted. We did not appeal. He's currently in 4th, and pulled only for advanced math.

Child #3 was admitted first round. She's currently in 3rd AAP, doing great.

I can say child #3 had VERY thorough commentary. I did not see the commentary from child #2 as we had already been struggling with whether it would be the right fit, and parent referred on the rec of his teacher. We had decided to not appeal in advance.

I think if your 16 comes with a thorough commentary, ie. comments to back up each item, your child will be in. I happen to teach myself, and though my only involvement in GBRS is to give input on in pool and parent referred students if I have comments to give (I'm a specialist), we were told that for each point of the GBRS, there needs to be a comment. So, for a 16, there need to be 16 comments.

[Anonymous]

Another parent of a kid with a 16 who did not get in first round. CogAT misdeed by 1 or 2 point, NNAT mid 120s. I don't remember how detailed the commentary was. I'd have to dig up the sheet, because this was 4 years ago. In on appeal with a WISC 136. If you are denied with this profile, a WISC is probably a good idea. The idea that you need 2 good data points is interesting. A WISV could give you the second one.

[Anonymous]

^^ the CogAT missed, not misdeed. Ironic autocorrect though.

[Anonymous]

I would speculate that a school can over inflate the GBRS, especially when they are building up their LLIV program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another parent of a kid with a 16 who did not get in first round. CogAT misdeed by 1 or 2 point, NNAT mid 120s. I don't remember how detailed the commentary was. I'd have to dig up the sheet, because this was 4 years ago. In on appeal with a WISC 136. If you are denied with this profile, a WISC is probably a good idea. The idea that you need 2 good data points is interesting. A WISV could give you the second one.

thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would suspect in. My experience is only based on my two youngest children.

Child #2 had a 16, but CogAt was signficantly lower than the borderline Naglieri (116 and 127 I think)

Child #3 had a 16, and CogAt and Naglieri were both in the 120's (124, 126 I think)

Child #2 was not admitted. We did not appeal. He's currently in 4th, and pulled only for advanced math.

Child #3 was admitted first round. She's currently in 3rd AAP, doing great.

I can say child #3 had VERY thorough commentary. I did not see the commentary from child #2 as we had already been struggling with whether it would be the right fit, and parent referred on the rec of his teacher. We had decided to not appeal in advance.

I think if your 16 comes with a thorough commentary, ie. comments to back up each item, your child will be in. I happen to teach myself, and though my only involvement in GBRS is to give input on in pool and parent referred students if I have comments to give (I'm a specialist), we were told that for each point of the GBRS, there needs to be a comment. So, for a 16, there need to be 16 comments.

We have 18 comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would suspect in. My experience is only based on my two youngest children.

Child #2 had a 16, but CogAt was signficantly lower than the borderline Naglieri (116 and 127 I think)

Child #3 had a 16, and CogAt and Naglieri were both in the 120's (124, 126 I think)

Child #2 was not admitted. We did not appeal. He's currently in 4th, and pulled only for advanced math.

Child #3 was admitted first round. She's currently in 3rd AAP, doing great.

I can say child #3 had VERY thorough commentary. I did not see the commentary from child #2 as we had already been struggling with whether it would be the right fit, and parent referred on the rec of his teacher. We had decided to not appeal in advance.

I think if your 16 comes with a thorough commentary, ie. comments to back up each item, your child will be in. I happen to teach myself, and though my only involvement in GBRS is to give input on in pool and parent referred students if I have comments to give (I'm a specialist), we were told that for each point of the GBRS, there needs to be a comment. So, for a 16, there need to be 16 comments.

We have 18 comments.

Very school specific. My child has a 15 and there are about 15 comments under each of the four sections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would suspect in. My experience is only based on my two youngest children.

Child #2 had a 16, but CogAt was signficantly lower than the borderline Naglieri (116 and 127 I think)

Child #3 had a 16, and CogAt and Naglieri were both in the 120's (124, 126 I think)

Child #2 was not admitted. We did not appeal. He's currently in 4th, and pulled only for advanced math.

Child #3 was admitted first round. She's currently in 3rd AAP, doing great.

I can say child #3 had VERY thorough commentary. I did not see the commentary from child #2 as we had already been struggling with whether it would be the right fit, and parent referred on the rec of his teacher. We had decided to not appeal in advance.

I think if your 16 comes with a thorough commentary, ie. comments to back up each item, your child will be in. I happen to teach myself, and though my only involvement in GBRS is to give input on in pool and parent referred students if I have comments to give (I'm a specialist), we were told that for each point of the GBRS, there needs to be a comment. So, for a 16, there need to be 16 comments.

We have 18 comments.

Very school specific. My child has a 15 and there are about 15 comments under each of the four sections.

I cannot imagine being the one who has to write multiple GBRS with 15 comments in each section! OP, as I said above, if the commentary seems well thought out, and thorough, I think you will get in. I did not count my daughters, but I do recall that most of the space was filled under each category. It was handwritten.