Dumb it down for me- Jesus died for my sins

[Anonymous]

Ugh spellchecker band aid on finger. Jesus asked Paul to convert gentiles

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if he died for our sins that means we can't sin anymore and we all have a free ticket to heaven right? Otherwise what's the point of his dying?

I agree. And since he atoned for us, we do not carry the burden of the original sin anymore! Hooray! Now we can all become Buddhists!

First of all, you have to accept this grace. Sounds like you do not yet. And second ,it's not only original sin but your personal sin.

[Anonymous]

Read the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Seriously. It's a great allegory with Aslan as Christ that doesn't exactly explain the mystery, but certainly offers some perspective.

And here's the link to the Catholic catechism. It's the official go-to source:
http://wwwmigrate.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/

Here's the specific section about Christ's death: http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/epub/index.cfm

[Anonymous]

OP here, Thank you for your answers. I am not a troll, just a very concrete thinker who has no religious background.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Seriously. It's a great allegory with Aslan as Christ that doesn't exactly explain the mystery, but certainly offers some perspective.

And here's the link to the Catholic catechism. It's the official go-to source:
http://wwwmigrate.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/

Here's the specific section about Christ's death: http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/epub/index.cfm

+1

"He descended into hell" is portrayed in the book as Aslan going to the White Witch's castle and freeing all of the frozen figures she had turned into statues.

[Anonymous]

OP- It's a story. A beautiful story of unconditional love and sacrifice. The idea that a smitey, all-powerful God would send his "son" to earth to suffer a horrible death is something most logical people understand as ridiculous. That line of reasoning makes no sense. God (who is perfect and incapable of creating anything but perfection) somehow created you "bad" so that you could be "saved" by the suffering and death of his son? That was the only way? Really? Again, there is no logic in that.

Jesus was the Christ in the sense that he came to earth as a perfect expression of God to show us the way. As a Christian, he is my way-shower. Other faiths have their way-showers. We are all expressions of our Creator (our Source). Jesus was just a really, really good expression of God in human form. He preached love, compassion, tolerance, forgiveness, and most of all kindness. He allowed himself to be crucified even though he wasn't guilty. What greater love is there? He freely accepted death when he likely would have been set free had he been willing to stop teaching.

His example is one we should all follow - unconditional love for people we don't even know. Love for people who want to hurt us. Love for our enemies. Love for every being on this planet. God didn't send Jesus to "die for your sins". You were created in love, perfectly. You don't need to be saved from "sin". Salvation is the Christian term for enlightenment - most just don't know it.

Just my opinion as a Christian in a more progressive Christian church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP- It's a story. A beautiful story of unconditional love and sacrifice. The idea that a smitey, all-powerful God would send his "son" to earth to suffer a horrible death is something most logical people understand as ridiculous. That line of reasoning makes no sense. God (who is perfect and incapable of creating anything but perfection) somehow created you "bad" so that you could be "saved" by the suffering and death of his son? That was the only way? Really? Again, there is no logic in that.

Jesus was the Christ in the sense that he came to earth as a perfect expression of God to show us the way. As a Christian, he is my way-shower. Other faiths have their way-showers. We are all expressions of our Creator (our Source). Jesus was just a really, really good expression of God in human form. He preached love, compassion, tolerance, forgiveness, and most of all kindness. He allowed himself to be crucified even though he wasn't guilty. What greater love is there? He freely accepted death when he likely would have been set free had he been willing to stop teaching.

His example is one we should all follow - unconditional love for people we don't even know. Love for people who want to hurt us. Love for our enemies. Love for every being on this planet. God didn't send Jesus to "die for your sins". You were created in love, perfectly. You don't need to be saved from "sin". Salvation is the Christian term for enlightenment - most just don't know it.

Just my opinion as a Christian in a more progressive Christian church.

So you've never sinned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Troll. If you are raising your kids catholic, you already know the answer to this. You are that nasty atheist who dumbs down all religions into a cartoon.

Why would someone who is allowing her kids to be raised in her DH's Catholic faith, be either a nasty atheist (would a nasty atheist marry a Catholic and allow him to raise the kids in the church?) or already educated in a religion she doesn't belong to?

Because she is lying because she wants to make fun of the responses she gets. If she really wanted the Catholic answer, she'd just ask any priest/nun/monk at her school

Why would there be something ridiculous about the responses to her questions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Troll. If you are raising your kids catholic, you already know the answer to this. You are that nasty atheist who dumbs down all religions into a cartoon.

Why would someone who is allowing her kids to be raised in her DH's Catholic faith, be either a nasty atheist (would a nasty atheist marry a Catholic and allow him to raise the kids in the church?) or already educated in a religion she doesn't belong to?

Because she is lying because she wants to make fun of the responses she gets. If she really wanted the Catholic answer, she'd just ask any priest/nun/monk at her school

Seems like that thinking would apply to all quetions asked on DCUMS. Why ask here, if you can ask a priest?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did not grow up religious, but my husband is and we are raising our children Catholic. Please explain to me- When it says Jesus died for our sins or my sins what do they mean. I wasn't alive then...ha..ha.. Are we talking about the sins of mankind?

Why pretend to believe your husband's faith???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not grow up religious, but my husband is and we are raising our children Catholic. Please explain to me- When it says Jesus died for our sins or my sins what do they mean. I wasn't alive then...ha..ha.. Are we talking about the sins of mankind?

Why pretend to believe your husband's faith???

No reason to think she's pretending, only that she has agreed to raise the children according to her husband's faith and wants to know how to approach questions the kids might ask that she doesn't know or understand the answers to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- It's a story. A beautiful story of unconditional love and sacrifice. The idea that a smitey, all-powerful God would send his "son" to earth to suffer a horrible death is something most logical people understand as ridiculous. That line of reasoning makes no sense. God (who is perfect and incapable of creating anything but perfection) somehow created you "bad" so that you could be "saved" by the suffering and death of his son? That was the only way? Really? Again, there is no logic in that.

Jesus was the Christ in the sense that he came to earth as a perfect expression of God to show us the way. As a Christian, he is my way-shower. Other faiths have their way-showers. We are all expressions of our Creator (our Source). Jesus was just a really, really good expression of God in human form. He preached love, compassion, tolerance, forgiveness, and most of all kindness. He allowed himself to be crucified even though he wasn't guilty. What greater love is there? He freely accepted death when he likely would have been set free had he been willing to stop teaching.

His example is one we should all follow - unconditional love for people we don't even know. Love for people who want to hurt us. Love for our enemies. Love for every being on this planet. God didn't send Jesus to "die for your sins". You were created in love, perfectly. You don't need to be saved from "sin". Salvation is the Christian term for enlightenment - most just don't know it.

Just my opinion as a Christian in a more progressive Christian church.

Where did the poster say he or she has never sinned?
So you've never sinned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP- It's a story. A beautiful story of unconditional love and sacrifice. The idea that a smitey, all-powerful God would send his "son" to earth to suffer a horrible death is something most logical people understand as ridiculous. That line of reasoning makes no sense. God (who is perfect and incapable of creating anything but perfection) somehow created you "bad" so that you could be "saved" by the suffering and death of his son? That was the only way? Really? Again, there is no logic in that.

Jesus was the Christ in the sense that he came to earth as a perfect expression of God to show us the way. As a Christian, he is my way-shower. Other faiths have their way-showers. We are all expressions of our Creator (our Source). Jesus was just a really, really good expression of God in human form. He preached love, compassion, tolerance, forgiveness, and most of all kindness. He allowed himself to be crucified even though he wasn't guilty. What greater love is there? He freely accepted death when he likely would have been set free had he been willing to stop teaching.

His example is one we should all follow - unconditional love for people we don't even know. Love for people who want to hurt us. Love for our enemies. Love for every being on this planet. God didn't send Jesus to "die for your sins". You were created in love, perfectly. You don't need to be saved from "sin". Salvation is the Christian term for enlightenment - most just don't know it.

Just my opinion as a Christian in a more progressive Christian church.

Ye of little faith -

Read Job. Do you know how God created the earth? Likewise you may never fully understand how God could allow his son to die.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP- It's a story. A beautiful story of unconditional love and sacrifice. The idea that a smitey, all-powerful God would send his "son" to earth to suffer a horrible death is something most logical people understand as ridiculous. That line of reasoning makes no sense. God (who is perfect and incapable of creating anything but perfection) somehow created you "bad" so that you could be "saved" by the suffering and death of his son? That was the only way? Really? Again, there is no logic in that.

Jesus was the Christ in the sense that he came to earth as a perfect expression of God to show us the way. As a Christian, he is my way-shower. Other faiths have their way-showers. We are all expressions of our Creator (our Source). Jesus was just a really, really good expression of God in human form. He preached love, compassion, tolerance, forgiveness, and most of all kindness. He allowed himself to be crucified even though he wasn't guilty. What greater love is there? He freely accepted death when he likely would have been set free had he been willing to stop teaching.

His example is one we should all follow - unconditional love for people we don't even know. Love for people who want to hurt us. Love for our enemies. Love for every being on this planet. God didn't send Jesus to "die for your sins". You were created in love, perfectly. You don't need to be saved from "sin". Salvation is the Christian term for enlightenment - most just don't know it.

Just my opinion as a Christian in a more progressive Christian church.

Ye of little faith -

Read Job. Do you know how God created the earth? Likewise you may never fully understand how God could allow his son to die.

But a major part of the deal is that if you don't appreciate the sacrifice He made, then you will burn eternally in hell. That's not very loving. It's a threat: Love me or else.

[Anonymous]

"So if he died for our sins that means we can't son anymore and we all have a free ticket to heaven right? Otherwise what's the point of his dying?"

It means that we are no longer slaves to sin. We can accept his sacrifice for our sins and be forgiven. We will still struggle with sin on this side of heaven but the Holy Spirit will live in us and show us how to live if we allow Him. We are to make Jesus both our Savior (salvation from death; sin is separation from God) and Lord (central authority in our lives; not ourselves).