Less Crazy this year

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's less crazy. People are getting used to the new system and have last year's data to draw on, so we don't feel as much like we're flying blind. A few new schools/classrooms opened last year and this year, and a few new neighborhood schools became viable EOTP. So I think things are a little better.

Curious, what do you think the few new viable EOTP schools are since last year?

NP, I'd phrase it a little differently. It seems that a number of EOTP schools have become more popular / viable for more years.

Schools like Seaton, Garrison, Powell, West, even some more talk of Barnard, Bruce-Monroe, and probably some others I'm not remembering.

NP, I think it's both-- Some such as Langley are now viable for the first time, others such as Bruce-Monroe, Miner, and Seaton are becoming viable for more years. Stuart-Hobson is making progress and that will flow down to its feeders as well.

Viable for DCUM / higher-SES residents, you mean.

Viable for PreK (free daycare) you mean. Once parents begin to expect education these schools will all disappoint. Just look at their scores. It's nice to have your 3 y.o. play with everyone, but it's downright alarming when your 3rd grader is surrounded by children who can't read at grade level. Meanwhile, other children who live down the street are literate in two languages and performing well in math and science. It's not a situation you can bear for very long.

Aren't scores an issue in both types of schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's less crazy. People are getting used to the new system and have last year's data to draw on, so we don't feel as much like we're flying blind. A few new schools/classrooms opened last year and this year, and a few new neighborhood schools became viable EOTP. So I think things are a little better.

Curious, what do you think the few new viable EOTP schools are since last year?

NP, I'd phrase it a little differently. It seems that a number of EOTP schools have become more popular / viable for more years.

Schools like Seaton, Garrison, Powell, West, even some more talk of Barnard, Bruce-Monroe, and probably some others I'm not remembering.

NP, I think it's both-- Some such as Langley are now viable for the first time, others such as Bruce-Monroe, Miner, and Seaton are becoming viable for more years. Stuart-Hobson is making progress and that will flow down to its feeders as well.

Viable for DCUM / higher-SES residents, you mean.

Viable for PreK (free daycare) you mean. Once parents begin to expect education these schools will all disappoint. Just look at their scores. It's nice to have your 3 y.o. play with everyone, but it's downright alarming when your 3rd grader is surrounded by children who can't read at grade level. Meanwhile, other children who live down the street are literate in two languages and performing well in math and science. It's not a situation you can bear for very long.

We'll see. At our EOTP school, many parents had their kids in NAEYC accredited preschools prior to moving to our school for prek3. (This is especially prevalent for fall birthdays). The consensus is that the EOTP "free daycare" is superior. The DCPS teachers are credentialed, with years of experience. All have bachelor's degrees, and some have Masters. I am not aware of any private preschool that can afford the salaries that would attract candidates of this caliber. Even the much worshipped NCRC only requires a Bachelor's degree.

If the teaching continues to be excellent, we will stay.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's less crazy. People are getting used to the new system and have last year's data to draw on, so we don't feel as much like we're flying blind. A few new schools/classrooms opened last year and this year, and a few new neighborhood schools became viable EOTP. So I think things are a little better.

Curious, what do you think the few new viable EOTP schools are since last year?

NP, I'd phrase it a little differently. It seems that a number of EOTP schools have become more popular / viable for more years.

Schools like Seaton, Garrison, Powell, West, even some more talk of Barnard, Bruce-Monroe, and probably some others I'm not remembering.

NP, I think it's both-- Some such as Langley are now viable for the first time, others such as Bruce-Monroe, Miner, and Seaton are becoming viable for more years. Stuart-Hobson is making progress and that will flow down to its feeders as well.

Viable for DCUM / higher-SES residents, you mean.

Viable for PreK (free daycare) you mean. Once parents begin to expect education these schools will all disappoint. Just look at their scores. It's nice to have your 3 y.o. play with everyone, but it's downright alarming when your 3rd grader is surrounded by children who can't read at grade level. Meanwhile, other children who live down the street are literate in two languages and performing well in math and science. It's not a situation you can bear for very long.

Oh calm down. I don't disagree that upper elementary has a lot of issues. But that is a while from now. Maybe it will improve, and if it doesn't, we've got plenty of time to move elsewhere. Meanwhile, more and more schools are acceptable options for preschool and even 1st grade, and that's really great. It makes people's first lottery season that much less stressful.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's less crazy. People are getting used to the new system and have last year's data to draw on, so we don't feel as much like we're flying blind. A few new schools/classrooms opened last year and this year, and a few new neighborhood schools became viable EOTP. So I think things are a little better.

Curious, what do you think the few new viable EOTP schools are since last year?

NP, I'd phrase it a little differently. It seems that a number of EOTP schools have become more popular / viable for more years.

Schools like Seaton, Garrison, Powell, West, even some more talk of Barnard, Bruce-Monroe, and probably some others I'm not remembering.

NP, I think it's both-- Some such as Langley are now viable for the first time, others such as Bruce-Monroe, Miner, and Seaton are becoming viable for more years. Stuart-Hobson is making progress and that will flow down to its feeders as well.

Viable for DCUM / higher-SES residents, you mean.

Viable for PreK (free daycare) you mean. Once parents begin to expect education these schools will all disappoint. Just look at their scores. It's nice to have your 3 y.o. play with everyone, but it's downright alarming when your 3rd grader is surrounded by children who can't read at grade level. Meanwhile, other children who live down the street are literate in two languages and performing well in math and science. It's not a situation you can bear for very long.

We'll see. At our EOTP school, many parents had their kids in NAEYC accredited preschools prior to moving to our school for prek3. (This is especially prevalent for fall birthdays). The consensus is that the EOTP "free daycare" is superior. The DCPS teachers are credentialed, with years of experience. All have bachelor's degrees, and some have Masters. I am not aware of any private preschool that can afford the salaries that would attract candidates of this caliber. Even the much worshipped NCRC only requires a Bachelor's degree.

If the teaching continues to be excellent, we will stay.

I live EoTP and will probably end up in our IB. But like every other high SES family and white family, will leave by 1st grade at the absolute latest. The test scores are abyssmal and the achievement gap is NOT closing. Its not that I think my PSer is gifted but just being at grade level in an EoTP school puts you way ahead of your classmates. I just think that kind of learning environment would be a waste of time for kids who are able and willing to do the work and be challenged.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's less crazy. People are getting used to the new system and have last year's data to draw on, so we don't feel as much like we're flying blind. A few new schools/classrooms opened last year and this year, and a few new neighborhood schools became viable EOTP. So I think things are a little better.

Curious, what do you think the few new viable EOTP schools are since last year?

NP, I'd phrase it a little differently. It seems that a number of EOTP schools have become more popular / viable for more years.

Schools like Seaton, Garrison, Powell, West, even some more talk of Barnard, Bruce-Monroe, and probably some others I'm not remembering.

NP, I think it's both-- Some such as Langley are now viable for the first time, others such as Bruce-Monroe, Miner, and Seaton are becoming viable for more years. Stuart-Hobson is making progress and that will flow down to its feeders as well.

Viable for DCUM / higher-SES residents, you mean.

Viable for PreK (free daycare) you mean. Once parents begin to expect education these schools will all disappoint. Just look at their scores. It's nice to have your 3 y.o. play with everyone, but it's downright alarming when your 3rd grader is surrounded by children who can't read at grade level. Meanwhile, other children who live down the street are literate in two languages and performing well in math and science. It's not a situation you can bear for very long.

We'll see. At our EOTP school, many parents had their kids in NAEYC accredited preschools prior to moving to our school for prek3. (This is especially prevalent for fall birthdays). The consensus is that the EOTP "free daycare" is superior. The DCPS teachers are credentialed, with years of experience. All have bachelor's degrees, and some have Masters. I am not aware of any private preschool that can afford the salaries that would attract candidates of this caliber. Even the much worshipped NCRC only requires a Bachelor's degree.

If the teaching continues to be excellent, we will stay.

I live EoTP and will probably end up in our IB. But like every other high SES family and white family, will leave by 1st grade at the absolute latest. The test scores are abyssmal and the achievement gap is NOT closing. Its not that I think my PSer is gifted but just being at grade level in an EoTP school puts you way ahead of your classmates. I just think that kind of learning environment would be a waste of time for kids who are able and willing to do the work and be challenged.

My white, high SES kindergartener attends our IB EOTP school. She is not the most advanced kid in her class - that honor goes to a low SES black boy. Based on the assessment scores we saw at APTT, I would say that the vast majority of the class is at grade level in reading and math, with a handful of kids above average and a handful of kids below average. More above than below, actually. Have you been at such meetings for your IB school, or are you simply looking at PARCC scores and saying no, based on the first year of testing data administered to children 3rd grade and above?

It IS that you think that your 3-year-old is gifted. Go ahead and own that. You think that your high SES white kid is smarter than the low SES brown kids s/he would be in class with. You also assume that your child is "willing to do the work" which may or may not be true. The two most disruptive kids I know are high SES white children who seem to think that rules don't apply to them. When they get in trouble, their high SES white parents manage to spin the incident so that anyone but their child is at fault.

With this attitude, please just move now. I understand the PP's "If... Then..." statement, but you, going into a school with the attitude that it's not good enough for your child, that it's filled with children who are not motivated and not willing to work, will not be an asset to the school. Do the school a favor and spare them the sanctimony.

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I live EoTP and will probably end up in our IB. But like every other high SES family and white family, will leave by 1st grade at the absolute latest. The test scores are abyssmal and the achievement gap is NOT closing. Its not that I think my PSer is gifted but just being at grade level in an EoTP school puts you way ahead of your classmates. I just think that kind of learning environment would be a waste of time for kids who are able and willing to do the work and be challenged.

NP here, EOTP at our IB school. Being at grade level puts my kid in the top 1/2 of their K class. In later elementary years, if nothing changes, it'll be about the top 1/3. That's not a great thing overall, but there's enough differentiated instruction going on that my kid is still being challenged along with the other kids that are at / above grade level.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's less crazy. People are getting used to the new system and have last year's data to draw on, so we don't feel as much like we're flying blind. A few new schools/classrooms opened last year and this year, and a few new neighborhood schools became viable EOTP. So I think things are a little better.

Curious, what do you think the few new viable EOTP schools are since last year?

NP, I'd phrase it a little differently. It seems that a number of EOTP schools have become more popular / viable for more years.

Schools like Seaton, Garrison, Powell, West, even some more talk of Barnard, Bruce-Monroe, and probably some others I'm not remembering.

NP, I think it's both-- Some such as Langley are now viable for the first time, others such as Bruce-Monroe, Miner, and Seaton are becoming viable for more years. Stuart-Hobson is making progress and that will flow down to its feeders as well.

Viable for DCUM / higher-SES residents, you mean.

Viable for PreK (free daycare) you mean. Once parents begin to expect education these schools will all disappoint. Just look at their scores. It's nice to have your 3 y.o. play with everyone, but it's downright alarming when your 3rd grader is surrounded by children who can't read at grade level. Meanwhile, other children who live down the street are literate in two languages and performing well in math and science. It's not a situation you can bear for very long.

We'll see. At our EOTP school, many parents had their kids in NAEYC accredited preschools prior to moving to our school for prek3. (This is especially prevalent for fall birthdays). The consensus is that the EOTP "free daycare" is superior. The DCPS teachers are credentialed, with years of experience. All have bachelor's degrees, and some have Masters. I am not aware of any private preschool that can afford the salaries that would attract candidates of this caliber. Even the much worshipped NCRC only requires a Bachelor's degree.

If the teaching continues to be excellent, we will stay.

I live EoTP and will probably end up in our IB. But like every other high SES family and white family, will leave by 1st grade at the absolute latest. The test scores are abyssmal and the achievement gap is NOT closing. Its not that I think my PSer is gifted but just being at grade level in an EoTP school puts you way ahead of your classmates. I just think that kind of learning environment would be a waste of time for kids who are able and willing to do the work and be challenged.

My white, high SES kindergartener attends our IB EOTP school. She is not the most advanced kid in her class - that honor goes to a low SES black boy. Based on the assessment scores we saw at APTT, I would say that the vast majority of the class is at grade level in reading and math, with a handful of kids above average and a handful of kids below average. More above than below, actually. Have you been at such meetings for your IB school, or are you simply looking at PARCC scores and saying no, based on the first year of testing data administered to children 3rd grade and above?

It IS that you think that your 3-year-old is gifted. Go ahead and own that. You think that your high SES white kid is smarter than the low SES brown kids s/he would be in class with. You also assume that your child is "willing to do the work" which may or may not be true. The two most disruptive kids I know are high SES white children who seem to think that rules don't apply to them. When they get in trouble, their high SES white parents manage to spin the incident so that anyone but their child is at fault.

With this attitude, please just move now. I understand the PP's "If... Then..." statement, but you, going into a school with the attitude that it's not good enough for your child, that it's filled with children who are not motivated and not willing to work, will not be an asset to the school. Do the school a favor and spare them the sanctimony.

You lost me at "black boy"

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^^^ Oh come on, you're taking the "black boy" out of context. Anyway, did you even read anything else she said? She's challenging the presumption that high SES white kids will inevitably be top of the class--and therefore not be challenged--in EOTP schools.

-an EOTP mom who uses AA and black interchangeably to describe myself

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Oh come on, you're taking the "black boy" out of context. Anyway, did you even read anything else she said? She's challenging the presumption that high SES white kids will inevitably be top of the class--and therefore not be challenged--in EOTP schools.

-an EOTP mom who uses AA and black interchangeably to describe myself

Why wasn't PP stopped at "white"?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's less crazy. People are getting used to the new system and have last year's data to draw on, so we don't feel as much like we're flying blind. A few new schools/classrooms opened last year and this year, and a few new neighborhood schools became viable EOTP. So I think things are a little better.

Curious, what do you think the few new viable EOTP schools are since last year?

NP, I'd phrase it a little differently. It seems that a number of EOTP schools have become more popular / viable for more years.

Schools like Seaton, Garrison, Powell, West, even some more talk of Barnard, Bruce-Monroe, and probably some others I'm not remembering.

NP, I think it's both-- Some such as Langley are now viable for the first time, others such as Bruce-Monroe, Miner, and Seaton are becoming viable for more years. Stuart-Hobson is making progress and that will flow down to its feeders as well.

Viable for DCUM / higher-SES residents, you mean.

Whomp whomp.
Call your au pair to come grab the kids but WOTP elitist Mom has ODed on Kendall Jackson once again. I mean, it is Thursday after all.


Viable for PreK (free daycare) you mean. Once parents begin to expect education these schools will all disappoint. Just look at their scores. It's nice to have your 3 y.o. play with everyone, but it's downright alarming when your 3rd grader is surrounded by children who can't read at grade level. Meanwhile, other children who live down the street are literate in two languages and performing well in math and science. It's not a situation you can bear for very long.

No, the Miraval shipments have come in.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Oh come on, you're taking the "black boy" out of context. Anyway, did you even read anything else she said? She's challenging the presumption that high SES white kids will inevitably be top of the class--and therefore not be challenged--in EOTP schools.

-an EOTP mom who uses AA and black interchangeably to describe myself

PP here. That's exactly what I meant. Thank you. Obviously things change as the years go by, by for the PP to say they'd leave by first grade at the LATEST? That seems ridiculous to me. I am sure that there will be many ways that my child doesn't feel challenged, but I'm not about to pull the plug on a school before first grade simply because of test scores that don't apply. If I was the sort to base all my decisions on test scores, I would look at the scores in my child's cohort first since it is more applicable to my child's experience.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's less crazy. People are getting used to the new system and have last year's data to draw on, so we don't feel as much like we're flying blind. A few new schools/classrooms opened last year and this year, and a few new neighborhood schools became viable EOTP. So I think things are a little better.

Curious, what do you think the few new viable EOTP schools are since last year?

NP, I'd phrase it a little differently. It seems that a number of EOTP schools have become more popular / viable for more years.

Schools like Seaton, Garrison, Powell, West, even some more talk of Barnard, Bruce-Monroe, and probably some others I'm not remembering.

NP, I think it's both-- Some such as Langley are now viable for the first time, others such as Bruce-Monroe, Miner, and Seaton are becoming viable for more years. Stuart-Hobson is making progress and that will flow down to its feeders as well.

Viable for DCUM / higher-SES residents, you mean.

Viable for PreK (free daycare) you mean. Once parents begin to expect education these schools will all disappoint. Just look at their scores. It's nice to have your 3 y.o. play with everyone, but it's downright alarming when your 3rd grader is surrounded by children who can't read at grade level. Meanwhile, other children who live down the street are literate in two languages and performing well in math and science. It's not a situation you can bear for very long.

We'll see. At our EOTP school, many parents had their kids in NAEYC accredited preschools prior to moving to our school for prek3. (This is especially prevalent for fall birthdays). The consensus is that the EOTP "free daycare" is superior. The DCPS teachers are credentialed, with years of experience. All have bachelor's degrees, and some have Masters. I am not aware of any private preschool that can afford the salaries that would attract candidates of this caliber. Even the much worshipped NCRC only requires a Bachelor's degree.

If the teaching continues to be excellent, we will stay.

I live EoTP and will probably end up in our IB. But like every other high SES family and white family, will leave by 1st grade at the absolute latest. The test scores are abyssmal and the achievement gap is NOT closing. Its not that I think my PSer is gifted but just being at grade level in an EoTP school puts you way ahead of your classmates. I just think that kind of learning environment would be a waste of time for kids who are able and willing to do the work and be challenged.

My white, high SES kindergartener attends our IB EOTP school. She is not the most advanced kid in her class - that honor goes to a low SES black boy. Based on the assessment scores we saw at APTT, I would say that the vast majority of the class is at grade level in reading and math, with a handful of kids above average and a handful of kids below average. More above than below, actually. Have you been at such meetings for your IB school, or are you simply looking at PARCC scores and saying no, based on the first year of testing data administered to children 3rd grade and above?

It IS that you think that your 3-year-old is gifted. Go ahead and own that. You think that your high SES white kid is smarter than the low SES brown kids s/he would be in class with. You also assume that your child is "willing to do the work" which may or may not be true. The two most disruptive kids I know are high SES white children who seem to think that rules don't apply to them. When they get in trouble, their high SES white parents manage to spin the incident so that anyone but their child is at fault.

With this attitude, please just move now. I understand the PP's "If... Then..." statement, but you, going into a school with the attitude that it's not good enough for your child, that it's filled with children who are not motivated and not willing to work, will not be an asset to the school. Do the school a favor and spare them the sanctimony.

You lost me at "black boy"

Huh? Are we saying "male-identified cisgender person of color"? Is everyone so sensitive now that we can't even pretend black boys exist? Or was this a joke?

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Just a troll or racist who is frustrated they can't understand context or why they get called out and others don't.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's less crazy. People are getting used to the new system and have last year's data to draw on, so we don't feel as much like we're flying blind. A few new schools/classrooms opened last year and this year, and a few new neighborhood schools became viable EOTP. So I think things are a little better.

Curious, what do you think the few new viable EOTP schools are since last year?

NP, I'd phrase it a little differently. It seems that a number of EOTP schools have become more popular / viable for more years.

Schools like Seaton, Garrison, Powell, West, even some more talk of Barnard, Bruce-Monroe, and probably some others I'm not remembering.

NP, I think it's both-- Some such as Langley are now viable for the first time, others such as Bruce-Monroe, Miner, and Seaton are becoming viable for more years. Stuart-Hobson is making progress and that will flow down to its feeders as well.

Viable for DCUM / higher-SES residents, you mean.

Viable for PreK (free daycare) you mean. Once parents begin to expect education these schools will all disappoint. Just look at their scores. It's nice to have your 3 y.o. play with everyone, but it's downright alarming when your 3rd grader is surrounded by children who can't read at grade level. Meanwhile, other children who live down the street are literate in two languages and performing well in math and science. It's not a situation you can bear for very long.

We'll see. At our EOTP school, many parents had their kids in NAEYC accredited preschools prior to moving to our school for prek3. (This is especially prevalent for fall birthdays). The consensus is that the EOTP "free daycare" is superior. The DCPS teachers are credentialed, with years of experience. All have bachelor's degrees, and some have Masters. I am not aware of any private preschool that can afford the salaries that would attract candidates of this caliber. Even the much worshipped NCRC only requires a Bachelor's degree.

If the teaching continues to be excellent, we will stay.

I live EoTP and will probably end up in our IB. But like every other high SES family and white family, will leave by 1st grade at the absolute latest. The test scores are abyssmal and the achievement gap is NOT closing. Its not that I think my PSer is gifted but just being at grade level in an EoTP school puts you way ahead of your classmates. I just think that kind of learning environment would be a waste of time for kids who are able and willing to do the work and be challenged.

My white, high SES kindergartener attends our IB EOTP school. She is not the most advanced kid in her class - that honor goes to a low SES black boy. Based on the assessment scores we saw at APTT, I would say that the vast majority of the class is at grade level in reading and math, with a handful of kids above average and a handful of kids below average. More above than below, actually. Have you been at such meetings for your IB school, or are you simply looking at PARCC scores and saying no, based on the first year of testing data administered to children 3rd grade and above?

It IS that you think that your 3-year-old is gifted. Go ahead and own that. You think that your high SES white kid is smarter than the low SES brown kids s/he would be in class with. You also assume that your child is "willing to do the work" which may or may not be true. The two most disruptive kids I know are high SES white children who seem to think that rules don't apply to them. When they get in trouble, their high SES white parents manage to spin the incident so that anyone but their child is at fault.

With this attitude, please just move now. I understand the PP's "If... Then..." statement, but you, going into a school with the attitude that it's not good enough for your child, that it's filled with children who are not motivated and not willing to work, will not be an asset to the school. Do the school a favor and spare them the sanctimony.

You lost me at "black boy"

Huh? Are we saying "male-identified cisgender person of color"? Is everyone so sensitive now that we can't even pretend black boys exist? Or was this a joke?

I love this!

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<<I would say that the vast majority of the class is at grade level in reading and math, with a handful of kids above average and a handful of kids below average.>>

Please tell me which east of the park DCPS this is. I sincerely want to know. Because this is so far removed from the testing scores, I am struggling to understand it. If you look at the % of kids in East of the Park DCPS, a typical testing score is that fewer than 20% of kids meet or exceed expectations in either math or english language arts.