Does AAP affect middle school?

[Anonymous]

OP here again. Thanks for all the previous posters. Gives us something to think about and mull over!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:6:56 here. The teacher made a difference, but more so I found is the company my kids keep made a bigger impact. If you have a group of students that are in general driven to do better, that will propel your kid to do well or "keep up" as well. To me, that was what AAP provided for my DC. True once in HS the distinction no long apply, but you can rest assure most of the kids in HS honor classes were in AAP together as well. That's just how it is.

That's not to say kids outside of AAP are not driven (so calm down!)

I'm sharing my own experience with two different kids and my view is solely from my family's experience only. I do not pretend to know all circumstances.

something to keep in mind is that even some of the smartest kids care more about being cool and fitting in in middle school. my son was very into academics and this didn't register with him but a couple of his female friends hated being in AAP because all the popular kids were in other classes.

and the bolded sentence is patently untrue. honors classes are open to everyone in HS. both of my other kids have taken all honors quite successfully and neither was in AAP. nor were the majority of their classmates. in fact, it bothered AAP son that honors classes were open to kids who didn't catch on as quickly as he did. i told him welcome to the real world.

This is going to be so school depended. DS is Carson, and 2/3 of the kids are AAP and TJ is a huge motivator/ goal. The AAP crowd may "fit in" much more than the GE crowd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6:56 here. The teacher made a difference, but more so I found is the company my kids keep made a bigger impact. If you have a group of students that are in general driven to do better, that will propel your kid to do well or "keep up" as well. To me, that was what AAP provided for my DC. True once in HS the distinction no long apply, but you can rest assure most of the kids in HS honor classes were in AAP together as well. That's just how it is.

That's not to say kids outside of AAP are not driven (so calm down!)

I'm sharing my own experience with two different kids and my view is solely from my family's experience only. I do not pretend to know all circumstances.

something to keep in mind is that even some of the smartest kids care more about being cool and fitting in in middle school. my son was very into academics and this didn't register with him but a couple of his female friends hated being in AAP because all the popular kids were in other classes.

and the bolded sentence is patently untrue. honors classes are open to everyone in HS. both of my other kids have taken all honors quite successfully and neither was in AAP. nor were the majority of their classmates. in fact, it bothered AAP son that honors classes were open to kids who didn't catch on as quickly as he did. i told him welcome to the real world.

This is going to be so school depended. DS is Carson, and 2/3 of the kids are AAP and TJ is a huge motivator/ goal. The AAP crowd may "fit in" much more than the GE crowd.

You lost me at 2/3 of the kids at Carson are AAP. If that is true that is unconscionable. I hope FCPS addresses that soon. What a joke AAP has become.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6:56 here. The teacher made a difference, but more so I found is the company my kids keep made a bigger impact. If you have a group of students that are in general driven to do better, that will propel your kid to do well or "keep up" as well. To me, that was what AAP provided for my DC. True once in HS the distinction no long apply, but you can rest assure most of the kids in HS honor classes were in AAP together as well. That's just how it is.

That's not to say kids outside of AAP are not driven (so calm down!)

I'm sharing my own experience with two different kids and my view is solely from my family's experience only. I do not pretend to know all circumstances.

something to keep in mind is that even some of the smartest kids care more about being cool and fitting in in middle school. my son was very into academics and this didn't register with him but a couple of his female friends hated being in AAP because all the popular kids were in other classes.

and the bolded sentence is patently untrue. honors classes are open to everyone in HS. both of my other kids have taken all honors quite successfully and neither was in AAP. nor were the majority of their classmates. in fact, it bothered AAP son that honors classes were open to kids who didn't catch on as quickly as he did. i told him welcome to the real world.

This is going to be so school depended. DS is Carson, and 2/3 of the kids are AAP and TJ is a huge motivator/ goal. The AAP crowd may "fit in" much more than the GE crowd.

You lost me at 2/3 of the kids at Carson are AAP. If that is true that is unconscionable. I hope FCPS addresses that soon. What a joke AAP has become.

It's true, give or take 5%. Carson is a huge Center, and a ton of AAP Center ES feed there. And the long term plan is to move about 1/2 of the AAP kids to their base school at Franklin. In the meantime, it's not so terrible that kids can be "smart" and still feel like they can fit in and be popular. PP said even smart kids don't want to be AAP because it makes them unpopular. I'm saying at some schools, even the AAP kids have a significant, or even majority peer group. Rocky Run(same part of the County) is another. How do you think Carson routinely succeeds in sending 90 kids to TJ in a class of about 500?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6:56 here. The teacher made a difference, but more so I found is the company my kids keep made a bigger impact. If you have a group of students that are in general driven to do better, that will propel your kid to do well or "keep up" as well. To me, that was what AAP provided for my DC. True once in HS the distinction no long apply, but you can rest assure most of the kids in HS honor classes were in AAP together as well. That's just how it is.

That's not to say kids outside of AAP are not driven (so calm down!)

I'm sharing my own experience with two different kids and my view is solely from my family's experience only. I do not pretend to know all circumstances.

something to keep in mind is that even some of the smartest kids care more about being cool and fitting in in middle school. my son was very into academics and this didn't register with him but a couple of his female friends hated being in AAP because all the popular kids were in other classes.

and the bolded sentence is patently untrue. honors classes are open to everyone in HS. both of my other kids have taken all honors quite successfully and neither was in AAP. nor were the majority of their classmates. in fact, it bothered AAP son that honors classes were open to kids who didn't catch on as quickly as he did. i told him welcome to the real world.

This is going to be so school depended. DS is Carson, and 2/3 of the kids are AAP and TJ is a huge motivator/ goal. The AAP crowd may "fit in" much more than the GE crowd.

You lost me at 2/3 of the kids at Carson are AAP. If that is true that is unconscionable. I hope FCPS addresses that soon. What a joke AAP has become.

It's true, give or take 5%. Carson is a huge Center, and a ton of AAP Center ES feed there. And the long term plan is to move about 1/2 of the AAP kids to their base school at Franklin. In the meantime, it's not so terrible that kids can be "smart" and still feel like they can fit in and be popular. PP said even smart kids don't want to be AAP because it makes them unpopular. I'm saying at some schools, even the AAP kids have a significant, or even majority peer group. Rocky Run(same part of the County) is another. How do you think Carson routinely succeeds in sending 90 kids to TJ in a class of about 500?

Carson is about 45% AAP and there are about 730 kids per grade, not 500.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6:56 here. The teacher made a difference, but more so I found is the company my kids keep made a bigger impact. If you have a group of students that are in general driven to do better, that will propel your kid to do well or "keep up" as well. To me, that was what AAP provided for my DC. True once in HS the distinction no long apply, but you can rest assure most of the kids in HS honor classes were in AAP together as well. That's just how it is.

That's not to say kids outside of AAP are not driven (so calm down!)

I'm sharing my own experience with two different kids and my view is solely from my family's experience only. I do not pretend to know all circumstances.

Are your kids at McLean yet? Because there are a lot of kids who take AP classes there who took Honors classes at Longfellow but were not in the AAP program.

This goes for all high schools in this area. The kids who take AP classes are made up of prior Gen Ed and AAP kids. It's great that everyone is able to choose the class level that they prefer and will succeed in.

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Students also have the option to take IB instead of AP.

Very true, thank you for the correction. AP and IB classes are open to all students, regardless of prior AAP participation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6:56 here. The teacher made a difference, but more so I found is the company my kids keep made a bigger impact. If you have a group of students that are in general driven to do better, that will propel your kid to do well or "keep up" as well. To me, that was what AAP provided for my DC. True once in HS the distinction no long apply, but you can rest assure most of the kids in HS honor classes were in AAP together as well. That's just how it is.

That's not to say kids outside of AAP are not driven (so calm down!)

I'm sharing my own experience with two different kids and my view is solely from my family's experience only. I do not pretend to know all circumstances.

something to keep in mind is that even some of the smartest kids care more about being cool and fitting in in middle school. my son was very into academics and this didn't register with him but a couple of his female friends hated being in AAP because all the popular kids were in other classes.

and the bolded sentence is patently untrue. honors classes are open to everyone in HS. both of my other kids have taken all honors quite successfully and neither was in AAP. nor were the majority of their classmates. in fact, it bothered AAP son that honors classes were open to kids who didn't catch on as quickly as he did. i told him welcome to the real world.

This is going to be so school depended. DS is Carson, and 2/3 of the kids are AAP and TJ is a huge motivator/ goal. The AAP crowd may "fit in" much more than the GE crowd.

You lost me at 2/3 of the kids at Carson are AAP. If that is true that is unconscionable. I hope FCPS addresses that soon. What a joke AAP has become.

+1,000,000
No school should be majority AAP. What is this teaching our kids? That AAP is somehow "normal" and that GE is somehow "less than"? What a skewed system this is. Really pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6:56 here. The teacher made a difference, but more so I found is the company my kids keep made a bigger impact. If you have a group of students that are in general driven to do better, that will propel your kid to do well or "keep up" as well. To me, that was what AAP provided for my DC. True once in HS the distinction no long apply, but you can rest assure most of the kids in HS honor classes were in AAP together as well. That's just how it is.

That's not to say kids outside of AAP are not driven (so calm down!)

I'm sharing my own experience with two different kids and my view is solely from my family's experience only. I do not pretend to know all circumstances.

something to keep in mind is that even some of the smartest kids care more about being cool and fitting in in middle school. my son was very into academics and this didn't register with him but a couple of his female friends hated being in AAP because all the popular kids were in other classes.

and the bolded sentence is patently untrue. honors classes are open to everyone in HS. both of my other kids have taken all honors quite successfully and neither was in AAP. nor were the majority of their classmates. in fact, it bothered AAP son that honors classes were open to kids who didn't catch on as quickly as he did. i told him welcome to the real world.

This is going to be so school depended. DS is Carson, and 2/3 of the kids are AAP and TJ is a huge motivator/ goal. The AAP crowd may "fit in" much more than the GE crowd.

You lost me at 2/3 of the kids at Carson are AAP. If that is true that is unconscionable. I hope FCPS addresses that soon. What a joke AAP has become.

+1,000,000
No school should be majority AAP. What is this teaching our kids? That AAP is somehow "normal" and that GE is somehow "less than"? What a skewed system this is. Really pathetic.

Rocky Run is the only MS that is majority AAP, again because so many ES AAP programs feed into it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6:56 here. The teacher made a difference, but more so I found is the company my kids keep made a bigger impact. If you have a group of students that are in general driven to do better, that will propel your kid to do well or "keep up" as well. To me, that was what AAP provided for my DC. True once in HS the distinction no long apply, but you can rest assure most of the kids in HS honor classes were in AAP together as well. That's just how it is.

That's not to say kids outside of AAP are not driven (so calm down!)

I'm sharing my own experience with two different kids and my view is solely from my family's experience only. I do not pretend to know all circumstances.

something to keep in mind is that even some of the smartest kids care more about being cool and fitting in in middle school. my son was very into academics and this didn't register with him but a couple of his female friends hated being in AAP because all the popular kids were in other classes.

and the bolded sentence is patently untrue. honors classes are open to everyone in HS. both of my other kids have taken all honors quite successfully and neither was in AAP. nor were the majority of their classmates. in fact, it bothered AAP son that honors classes were open to kids who didn't catch on as quickly as he did. i told him welcome to the real world.

This is going to be so school depended. DS is Carson, and 2/3 of the kids are AAP and TJ is a huge motivator/ goal. The AAP crowd may "fit in" much more than the GE crowd.

You lost me at 2/3 of the kids at Carson are AAP. If that is true that is unconscionable. I hope FCPS addresses that soon. What a joke AAP has become.

It's true, give or take 5%. Carson is a huge Center, and a ton of AAP Center ES feed there. And the long term plan is to move about 1/2 of the AAP kids to their base school at Franklin. In the meantime, it's not so terrible that kids can be "smart" and still feel like they can fit in and be popular. PP said even smart kids don't want to be AAP because it makes them unpopular. I'm saying at some schools, even the AAP kids have a significant, or even majority peer group. Rocky Run(same part of the County) is another. How do you think Carson routinely succeeds in sending 90 kids to TJ in a class of about 500?

Carson is about 45% AAP and there are about 730 kids per grade, not 500.

Last year, Carso was 61% level IV AAP & 32% GE )including LI-LIII) with the remainder being a combo of ESL & spec Ed. There were 3 full AAP teams, out of 5 total in 7th. Same demographics in this year's 7th (3/5 teams AAP). About 660 kids/class., about 450 of whom are AAP. 89'TJ admits.

http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:171

[Anonymous]

Let's try the link,again: http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:171

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6:56 here. The teacher made a difference, but more so I found is the company my kids keep made a bigger impact. If you have a group of students that are in general driven to do better, that will propel your kid to do well or "keep up" as well. To me, that was what AAP provided for my DC. True once in HS the distinction no long apply, but you can rest assure most of the kids in HS honor classes were in AAP together as well. That's just how it is.

That's not to say kids outside of AAP are not driven (so calm down!)

I'm sharing my own experience with two different kids and my view is solely from my family's experience only. I do not pretend to know all circumstances.

something to keep in mind is that even some of the smartest kids care more about being cool and fitting in in middle school. my son was very into academics and this didn't register with him but a couple of his female friends hated being in AAP because all the popular kids were in other classes.

and the bolded sentence is patently untrue. honors classes are open to everyone in HS. both of my other kids have taken all honors quite successfully and neither was in AAP. nor were the majority of their classmates. in fact, it bothered AAP son that honors classes were open to kids who didn't catch on as quickly as he did. i told him welcome to the real world.

This is going to be so school depended. DS is Carson, and 2/3 of the kids are AAP and TJ is a huge motivator/ goal. The AAP crowd may "fit in" much more than the GE crowd.

You lost me at 2/3 of the kids at Carson are AAP. If that is true that is unconscionable. I hope FCPS addresses that soon. What a joke AAP has become.

+1,000,000
No school should be majority AAP. What is this teaching our kids? That AAP is somehow "normal" and that GE is somehow "less than"? What a skewed system this is. Really pathetic.

Rocky Run is the only MS that is majority AAP, again because so many ES AAP programs feed into it.

Nope. Carson is too. 3 out of the 5 academic teams in each grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6:56 here. The teacher made a difference, but more so I found is the company my kids keep made a bigger impact. If you have a group of students that are in general driven to do better, that will propel your kid to do well or "keep up" as well. To me, that was what AAP provided for my DC. True once in HS the distinction no long apply, but you can rest assure most of the kids in HS honor classes were in AAP together as well. That's just how it is.

That's not to say kids outside of AAP are not driven (so calm down!)

I'm sharing my own experience with two different kids and my view is solely from my family's experience only. I do not pretend to know all circumstances.

something to keep in mind is that even some of the smartest kids care more about being cool and fitting in in middle school. my son was very into academics and this didn't register with him but a couple of his female friends hated being in AAP because all the popular kids were in other classes.

and the bolded sentence is patently untrue. honors classes are open to everyone in HS. both of my other kids have taken all honors quite successfully and neither was in AAP. nor were the majority of their classmates. in fact, it bothered AAP son that honors classes were open to kids who didn't catch on as quickly as he did. i told him welcome to the real world.

This is going to be so school depended. DS is Carson, and 2/3 of the kids are AAP and TJ is a huge motivator/ goal. The AAP crowd may "fit in" much more than the GE crowd.

You lost me at 2/3 of the kids at Carson are AAP. If that is true that is unconscionable. I hope FCPS addresses that soon. What a joke AAP has become.

No school should be majority AAP. What is this teaching our kids? That AAP is somehow "normal" and that GE is somehow "less than"? What a skewed system this is. Really pathetic.

It is skewered, which is why in the next 2-3 years about 1/2 of the Carson AAP kids will end up at the new Franklin Center. But here's another perspective: a PP said, in effect, don't put your kids in AAP because all the popular kids are GE. It's nice to have a school where being AAP, math team, science bowl, etc is normal and some of the "popular" kids are AAP. For the first time, my AAP kid found his crowd. Plus the academics are top notch.

[Anonymous]

"Last year, Carso was 61% level IV AAP & 32% GE )including LI-LIII) with the remainder being a combo of ESL & spec Ed. There were 3 full AAP teams, out of 5 total in 7th. Same demographics in this year's 7th (3/5 teams AAP). About 660 kids/class., about 450 of whom are AAP. 89'TJ admits. "

Those percentages double count students. If you look at the profile page the %'s add up to more than 100%. Some students are AAP and ESL, AAP and Special ED, AAP, ESL and Special Ed.... It is more like a Venn diagram than siloed categorizes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Last year, Carso was 61% level IV AAP & 32% GE )including LI-LIII) with the remainder being a combo of ESL & spec Ed. There were 3 full AAP teams, out of 5 total in 7th. Same demographics in this year's 7th (3/5 teams AAP). About 660 kids/class., about 450 of whom are AAP. 89'TJ admits. "

Those percentages double count students. If you look at the profile page the %'s add up to more than 100%. Some students are AAP and ESL, AAP and Special ED, AAP, ESL and Special Ed.... It is more like a Venn diagram than siloed categorizes.

+1. I think this has been pointed out to this poster on any number of occasions but she persists in inflating the size of the AAP program at Carson, while getting other facts wrong (other than the number of TJ admits from Carson). It's hard to tell if the size of the AAP program at Carson is a source of pride or anxiety for her, but she is giving a false picture of the school, including how many kids theoretically might be sent back to Franklin in the future.

[Anonymous]

As of September 2015, here are the percentages of AAP kids at the different MS AAP centers:

Rocky Run 52.5%
Carson 44.9%
Longfellow 40.0%
Kilmer 36.1%
Frost 27.3%
Lake Braddock 26.2%
Jackson 24.0%
Hughes 21.1%
Sandburg 20.3%
Twain 19.5%
Glasgow 18.8%
South County 13.3%