Is EEK (early entrance to kindergarten) getting harder?

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:If they are overcrowded, yes they will be more strict. It sucks but I recommend that you fight for it. The curriculum is so ridiculously slow and my child (an Aug birthday) is bored out of her mind.


I truly do not understand this. What is too slow? If the child is a precocious reader, is she not allowed to read at her level? In math, there are things like "make an addition fact family". That can be using 5+2=7 or 326+408=734. Right?


Actually, no. There is a kindergarten curriculum. Here is the curriculum guide: http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedfiles/curriculum/elementary/parent-guide-traditional-kindergarten-en.pdf

Nonetheless, even a child who has already mastered everything in the kindergarten curriculum should not be "bored out of her mind". There are plenty of non-academic things to learn and do in kindergarten.


Ok, we all get the trend is to hold back kids. For some kids, yes, it makes sense, but not for others. It was a disaster for my child.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If they are overcrowded, yes they will be more strict. It sucks but I recommend that you fight for it. The curriculum is so ridiculously slow and my child (an Aug birthday) is bored out of her mind.


I truly do not understand this. What is too slow? If the child is a precocious reader, is she not allowed to read at her level? In math, there are things like "make an addition fact family". That can be using 5+2=7 or 326+408=734. Right?


Actually, no. There is a kindergarten curriculum. Here is the curriculum guide: http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedfiles/curriculum/elementary/parent-guide-traditional-kindergarten-en.pdf

Nonetheless, even a child who has already mastered everything in the kindergarten curriculum should not be "bored out of her mind". There are plenty of non-academic things to learn and do in kindergarten.


That contradicts my kid's experience in K and 1st. She was allowed to do what I outlined above.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP is this your first child? I'm asking because I know you don't want advice, but consider the social side of this. My first grader just learned about intercourse from a classmate. Do you want that stuff a year earlier?


That's why it's a good idea to talk to your kids about this stuff BEFORE the kids at school start talking about it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If they are overcrowded, yes they will be more strict. It sucks but I recommend that you fight for it. The curriculum is so ridiculously slow and my child (an Aug birthday) is bored out of her mind.


I truly do not understand this. What is too slow? If the child is a precocious reader, is she not allowed to read at her level? In math, there are things like "make an addition fact family". That can be using 5+2=7 or 326+408=734. Right?


Actually, no. There is a kindergarten curriculum. Here is the curriculum guide: http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedfiles/curriculum/elementary/parent-guide-traditional-kindergarten-en.pdf

Nonetheless, even a child who has already mastered everything in the kindergarten curriculum should not be "bored out of her mind". There are plenty of non-academic things to learn and do in kindergarten.


Ok, we all get the trend is to hold back kids. For some kids, yes, it makes sense, but not for others. It was a disaster for my child.


What school? I think we have very different experiences with similar kids, so the schools must handle it differently.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP is this your first child? I'm asking because I know you don't want advice, but consider the social side of this. My first grader just learned about intercourse from a classmate. Do you want that stuff a year earlier?


That's why it's a good idea to talk to your kids about this stuff BEFORE the kids at school start talking about it.


Yes. Thanks. But age 6 isn't "late" to learn that stuff. Reasonably expected we had another year or so.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If they are overcrowded, yes they will be more strict. It sucks but I recommend that you fight for it. The curriculum is so ridiculously slow and my child (an Aug birthday) is bored out of her mind.


I truly do not understand this. What is too slow? If the child is a precocious reader, is she not allowed to read at her level? In math, there are things like "make an addition fact family". That can be using 5+2=7 or 326+408=734. Right?


Actually, no. There is a kindergarten curriculum. Here is the curriculum guide: http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedfiles/curriculum/elementary/parent-guide-traditional-kindergarten-en.pdf

Nonetheless, even a child who has already mastered everything in the kindergarten curriculum should not be "bored out of her mind". There are plenty of non-academic things to learn and do in kindergarten.


Ok, we all get the trend is to hold back kids. For some kids, yes, it makes sense, but not for others. It was a disaster for my child.


I am the PP you're responding to. Who said anything about holding back kids? As I understand it, kids admitted through EEK typically have mastered most things in the kindergarten curriculum. My kid definitely had. So had my other kid who went on time. Neither of them were bored in kindergarten.
Anonymous
This is OP. This is our second child. Again, I know everyone has opinions about whether EEK is good or not. I think it's ultimately very child-dependent so.... Private is not an option for us because she will be doing foreign language immersion (more important to us than EEK). We'll just try the test and see what happens. It does seem, though, that if you ask for your child's scores and they are acceptable that it would be hard for the school to deny entry, right? Or do they have complete discretion? There are a few appeal decisions that are available online that make it sound like it's simply a matter of scores. But I am skeptical. I'll call MCPS and see what they say.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP is this your first child? I'm asking because I know you don't want advice, but consider the social side of this. My first grader just learned about intercourse from a classmate. Do you want that stuff a year earlier?


That's why it's a good idea to talk to your kids about this stuff BEFORE the kids at school start talking about it.


Yes. Thanks. But age 6 isn't "late" to learn that stuff. Reasonably expected we had another year or so.


Well, evidently not.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP is this your first child? I'm asking because I know you don't want advice, but consider the social side of this. My first grader just learned about intercourse from a classmate. Do you want that stuff a year earlier?


That's why it's a good idea to talk to your kids about this stuff BEFORE the kids at school start talking about it.


Yes. Thanks. But age 6 isn't "late" to learn that stuff. Reasonably expected we had another year or so.


Well, evidently not.


That's silly. Just because something happened doesn't mean it should have been reasonably expected.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If they are overcrowded, yes they will be more strict. It sucks but I recommend that you fight for it. The curriculum is so ridiculously slow and my child (an Aug birthday) is bored out of her mind.


I truly do not understand this. What is too slow? If the child is a precocious reader, is she not allowed to read at her level? In math, there are things like "make an addition fact family". That can be using 5+2=7 or 326+408=734. Right?


My child is in the middle of 1st grade and the furthest they have gotten is adding/subtracting up to the sum of 6. She did that in preschool. They have not learned any time, money, fractions or simple geometry yet. It is all VERY basic adding/subtracting with number lines, groups etc.... It is extremely slow. My oldest was actually EEK in Sept and at that point they had math levels so she was in K and then moved to math2 in grade 1. So she was adding/subtracting into the thousands and doing fractions and some geometry. Time and money was taught in K. She finished 5th doing Math 7 and moved right to Algebra 1 in 6th grade. They no longer have those options. ALL kids learn math at the same pace in MCPS until grade 4-5 when they can possibly go into compact math.

As far as reading, they do not encourage you to read past certain levels. So my 1st grade daughter already hit the end of 2nd grade reading level at M and is not allowed to advance past that until 2nd grade. Whereas my other daughter's reading group kept going and going and they even moved kids around in groups to keep them accelerating. 2.0 is about learning the basics. It helps kids that have had no prior learning but it seriously hinders kids that learned in preschool and learn at home.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This is OP. This is our second child. Again, I know everyone has opinions about whether EEK is good or not. I think it's ultimately very child-dependent so.... Private is not an option for us because she will be doing foreign language immersion (more important to us than EEK). We'll just try the test and see what happens. It does seem, though, that if you ask for your child's scores and they are acceptable that it would be hard for the school to deny entry, right? Or do they have complete discretion? There are a few appeal decisions that are available online that make it sound like it's simply a matter of scores. But I am skeptical. I'll call MCPS and see what they say.


OP, I think that's the best thing. MCPS is rather non-transparent about the EEK process, for good reason (in my opinion). But they should be able to answer questions like who makes the decision and what is the decision based on, without giving away their secrets about what is on the test.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP is this your first child? I'm asking because I know you don't want advice, but consider the social side of this. My first grader just learned about intercourse from a classmate. Do you want that stuff a year earlier?


That's why it's a good idea to talk to your kids about this stuff BEFORE the kids at school start talking about it.


Yes. Thanks. But age 6 isn't "late" to learn that stuff. Reasonably expected we had another year or so.


Well, evidently not.


What age should we have told her about intercourse, then? O superior parent?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If they are overcrowded, yes they will be more strict. It sucks but I recommend that you fight for it. The curriculum is so ridiculously slow and my child (an Aug birthday) is bored out of her mind.


I truly do not understand this. What is too slow? If the child is a precocious reader, is she not allowed to read at her level? In math, there are things like "make an addition fact family". That can be using 5+2=7 or 326+408=734. Right?


My child is in the middle of 1st grade and the furthest they have gotten is adding/subtracting up to the sum of 6. She did that in preschool. They have not learned any time, money, fractions or simple geometry yet. It is all VERY basic adding/subtracting with number lines, groups etc.... It is extremely slow. My oldest was actually EEK in Sept and at that point they had math levels so she was in K and then moved to math2 in grade 1. So she was adding/subtracting into the thousands and doing fractions and some geometry. Time and money was taught in K. She finished 5th doing Math 7 and moved right to Algebra 1 in 6th grade. They no longer have those options. ALL kids learn math at the same pace in MCPS until grade 4-5 when they can possibly go into compact math.

As far as reading, they do not encourage you to read past certain levels. So my 1st grade daughter already hit the end of 2nd grade reading level at M and is not allowed to advance past that until 2nd grade. Whereas my other daughter's reading group kept going and going and they even moved kids around in groups to keep them accelerating. 2.0 is about learning the basics. It helps kids that have had no prior learning but it seriously hinders kids that learned in preschool and learn at home.


That is completely different from how my child was taught in McPS in K. She was a level O in K and had peers in her class. Teacher did not cap her level. And in first grade they are adding and subtracting over 100. Of course only some are. Many are not, and that is fine too. Clearly different schools handle this differently!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
My child is in the middle of 1st grade and the furthest they have gotten is adding/subtracting up to the sum of 6. She did that in preschool. They have not learned any time, money, fractions or simple geometry yet. It is all VERY basic adding/subtracting with number lines, groups etc.... It is extremely slow. My oldest was actually EEK in Sept and at that point they had math levels so she was in K and then moved to math2 in grade 1. So she was adding/subtracting into the thousands and doing fractions and some geometry. Time and money was taught in K. She finished 5th doing Math 7 and moved right to Algebra 1 in 6th grade. They no longer have those options. ALL kids learn math at the same pace in MCPS until grade 4-5 when they can possibly go into compact math.



You have posted this at least three times in the last few weeks.

According to the first-grade curriculum guide, she should have been doing the following during the second marking period:

Number and Operations in Base Ten: Place value and representation—decomposing and composing 2–digit numbers.
Operations and Algebraic Thinking: Meaning of equal sign; problem-solving strategies—1- and 2–digit addition and subtraction; adding three numbers—sums to 20.


Is she doing this? If she is not doing this, why haven't you talked to the teacher and principal about it?

Time (analog, digital, hour, half hour) is taught in the fourth marking period of first grade. Money is taught in the second marking period of second grade, after hundreds place value in the first marking period.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP is this your first child? I'm asking because I know you don't want advice, but consider the social side of this. My first grader just learned about intercourse from a classmate. Do you want that stuff a year earlier?


That's why it's a good idea to talk to your kids about this stuff BEFORE the kids at school start talking about it.


Yes. Thanks. But age 6 isn't "late" to learn that stuff. Reasonably expected we had another year or so.


Well, evidently not.


What age should we have told her about intercourse, then? O superior parent?


Before the kids in school said something about it.
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