What percentage of HGC students go on to the magnet middle programs? Is this listed somewhere?

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Anonymous wrote:I am sorry, but somehow you are not aware what was in HGC prior to 2.0...
Kids at that time were taking math 2-3 years above grade level. That level of math was not available at local schools.
On top of it there were dedicated teachers who were teaching advanced math and science year after year, with enchantments and math Olimpics on recess. Now classroom teacher teachers does all subjects...

Science is not part of the test to Takoma...

I am entirely aware what was in at least one HGC before Curriculum 2.0, because I had a child in that HGC. The math curriculum was the same MCPS math curriculum, it's just that all fourth graders were in Math 5, Math 5, or Math 7, instead of just some fourth graders (as at the home school).

I also currently have a child in that HGC, and each of the HGC teachers teaches a specific subject: science/social studies, English, math. Just like for my older child. No enchantments, though, for either child.

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Eastern still will get most HGC kids, since now HGCs focus primarily on humanities.

The HGC math curriculum was the same as the general MCPS math curriculum before Curriculum 2.0 as well. If the HGCs now focus primarily on humanities (which I don't agree with -- science is not a humanities subject, then they also focused primarily on humanities before Curriculum 2.0.

You are wrong. Prior to two years ago, the HGC had more advanced math, science and all subjects.

That is not my experience with two kids in an HGC, before Curriculum 2.0 and now. Science and "all subjects" were just as advanced previously as now. Math is less advanced, in the sense that there are no fourth-graders in the HGC taking Math 7, as far as I know.

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I think partly you are just talking about different HGCs. One strong math teacher in the mix can make all the difference in the focus. I can't speak to the impact of 2.0 but pre 2.0 I had a child at an HGC and there was just such a teacher. It doesn't matter what the course equivalent would be, the level of enrichment was very good and my impression was that many students had more math strength than humanities.

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Eastern still will get most HGC kids, since now HGCs focus primarily on humanities.

The HGC math curriculum was the same as the general MCPS math curriculum before Curriculum 2.0 as well. If the HGCs now focus primarily on humanities (which I don't agree with -- science is not a humanities subject, then they also focused primarily on humanities before Curriculum 2.0.

You are wrong. Prior to two years ago, the HGC had more advanced math, science and all subjects.

No. That is simply not true. Every HGC teacher and principal will tell you that HGC was always a humanities program.

Wow! You now can tell for every principal?
MCPS officialls may be. They want you to believe this.
However did you have two kids at least 2 years apart who went to the same HGC prior 2.0 and now? I doubt it.
MCPS can tell you now that Compacted Math is best Math in the world. If you want to live in fantasy land, you are welcome.

Yes. Two kids two years apart. Our HGC is split into two locations though so they were at different schools. So two different principals, and several different teachers have said this.

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Eastern still will get most HGC kids, since now HGCs focus primarily on humanities.

The HGC math curriculum was the same as the general MCPS math curriculum before Curriculum 2.0 as well. If the HGCs now focus primarily on humanities (which I don't agree with -- science is not a humanities subject, then they also focused primarily on humanities before Curriculum 2.0.

You are wrong. Prior to two years ago, the HGC had more advanced math, science and all subjects.

No. That is simply not true. Every HGC teacher and principal will tell you that HGC was always a humanities program.

Wow! You now can tell for every principal?
MCPS officialls may be. They want you to believe this.
However did you have two kids at least 2 years apart who went to the same HGC prior 2.0 and now? I doubt it.
MCPS can tell you now that Compacted Math is best Math in the world. If you want to live in fantasy land, you are welcome.

Yes. Two kids two years apart. Our HGC is split into two locations though so they were at different schools. So two different principals, and several different teachers have said this.

I haven't heard the principal of my kids' HGC say that, and I haven't heard any of the teachers say it either.

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Eastern still will get most HGC kids, since now HGCs focus primarily on humanities.

The HGC math curriculum was the same as the general MCPS math curriculum before Curriculum 2.0 as well. If the HGCs now focus primarily on humanities (which I don't agree with -- science is not a humanities subject, then they also focused primarily on humanities before Curriculum 2.0.

You are wrong. Prior to two years ago, the HGC had more advanced math, science and all subjects.

No. That is simply not true. Every HGC teacher and principal will tell you that HGC was always a humanities program.

Wow! You now can tell for every principal?
MCPS officialls may be. They want you to believe this.
However did you have two kids at least 2 years apart who went to the same HGC prior 2.0 and now? I doubt it.
MCPS can tell you now that Compacted Math is best Math in the world. If you want to live in fantasy land, you are welcome.

Yes. Two kids two years apart. Our HGC is split into two locations though so they were at different schools. So two different principals, and several different teachers have said this.

I haven't heard the principal of my kids' HGC say that, and I haven't heard any of the teachers say it either.

+1 and my kids both went to the (one) HGC that is split between two schools.

At one of those schools, one of the teachers in particular is a math guru. No matter what the curriculum might say, she is teaching the kids very advanced math.

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I have the handout for the HGC overview night (my child is currently in 7th grade) it states on the page it's a more advanced science, math, and all the humanities classes. This was given out when my child was in 3rd grade. Sorry people starting the program now because MCPS definitely watered down the excellent program.

[Anonymous]

+1 and my kids both went to the (one) HGC that is split between two schools.

At one of those schools, one of the teachers in particular is a math guru. No matter what the curriculum might say, she is teaching the kids very advanced math.

Yep, I posted up stream and was speaking of the same person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have the handout for the HGC overview night (my child is currently in 7th grade) it states on the page it's a more advanced science, math, and all the humanities classes. This was given out when my child was in 3rd grade. Sorry people starting the program now because MCPS definitely watered down the excellent program.

Oh, hey, look at what the HGC page on the MCPS website says:

"The Elementary Center Programs for the Highly Gifted provide a learning environment for Grade 4 and Grade 5 students that enriches, accelerates, and extends the MCPS curriculum. It is designed to meet the needs of highly gifted and motivated learners in mathematics, language arts, science, and social studies. The program focuses on critical thinking skills, problem-solving skills, and communication skills. "

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/highly-gifted-centers.aspx

How about that.

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+1 and my kids both went to the (one) HGC that is split between two schools.

At one of those schools, one of the teachers in particular is a math guru. No matter what the curriculum might say, she is teaching the kids very advanced math.

Yep, I posted up stream and was speaking of the same person.


One of my children had her too. I think the difference from before is that they were allowed to accelerate beyond where they can accelerate now so that teacher had more sections of math bc the students were accelerated at different rates. But both Mrs. Salazar and Mrs. Houston told parents at the open house that the HGC was a humanities program. My child who is still at an HGC has a teacher who has been there more than a decade. She has mentioned that there are only certain subjects that are HGC and that has always been the case. If you look at the report card it is now marked (starting this year) with CPHG for subjects that are HGC. Some of the teachers are excellent and go beyond the curriculum though. For example, in 5th grade my child did an electricity city project in science. This was not a party of the HGC science curriculum bc there is no HGC science curriculum. But this teacher knew that the students could handle/needed science enrichment so provided it. I think that there are some HGC teachers who really go beyond the curriculum (which is great).

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Pre 2.0 Barnsley had an IM class.

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There is no HGC curriculum for subjects other than humanities. This means that while students in the past had the opportunity for 7th grade or beyond math, the curriculum itself wasn't different. This would be analogous to skipping. The HGC curriculum isn't skipping. It's an enhanced/different curriculum. Of course, regardless of curriculum the students benefit from the peer group.

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Eastern still will get most HGC kids, since now HGCs focus primarily on humanities.

The HGC math curriculum was the same as the general MCPS math curriculum before Curriculum 2.0 as well. If the HGCs now focus primarily on humanities (which I don't agree with -- science is not a humanities subject, then they also focused primarily on humanities before Curriculum 2.0.

You are wrong. Prior to two years ago, the HGC had more advanced math, science and all subjects.

No. That is simply not true. Every HGC teacher and principal will tell you that HGC was always a humanities program.

Perhaps it was supposed to be. My daughter was in an HGC during the transition to 2.0. In 4th grade she was taking math 5/6 (the lower math class, some were taking 6/7). Math class included math Olympiad problems each week. In 5th grade we were informed that all extra math work (including the math Olympiad problems) would be stopped due to the extra humanities work needed for 2.0. So, old HGC (at least at my kids center) definitely included advanced math.

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+1 and my kids both went to the (one) HGC that is split between two schools.

At one of those schools, one of the teachers in particular is a math guru. No matter what the curriculum might say, she is teaching the kids very advanced math.

Yep, I posted up stream and was speaking of the same person.

One of my children had her too. I think the difference from before is that they were allowed to accelerate beyond where they can accelerate now so that teacher had more sections of math bc the students were accelerated at different rates. But both Mrs. Salazar and Mrs. Houston told parents at the open house that the HGC was a humanities program. My child who is still at an HGC has a teacher who has been there more than a decade. She has mentioned that there are only certain subjects that are HGC and that has always been the case. If you look at the report card it is now marked (starting this year) with CPHG for subjects that are HGC. Some of the teachers are excellent and go beyond the curriculum though. For example, in 5th grade my child did an electricity city project in science. This was not a party of the HGC science curriculum bc there is no HGC science curriculum. But this teacher knew that the students could handle/needed science enrichment so provided it. I think that there are some HGC teachers who really go beyond the curriculum (which is great).

Yes, my child did that too. That teacher definitely goes beyond the curriculum to levels the kids need.

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+1 and my kids both went to the (one) HGC that is split between two schools.

At one of those schools, one of the teachers in particular is a math guru. No matter what the curriculum might say, she is teaching the kids very advanced math.

Yep, I posted up stream and was speaking of the same person.

One of my children had her too. I think the difference from before is that they were allowed to accelerate beyond where they can accelerate now so that teacher had more sections of math bc the students were accelerated at different rates. But both Mrs. Salazar and Mrs. Houston told parents at the open house that the HGC was a humanities program. My child who is still at an HGC has a teacher who has been there more than a decade. She has mentioned that there are only certain subjects that are HGC and that has always been the case. If you look at the report card it is now marked (starting this year) with CPHG for subjects that are HGC. Some of the teachers are excellent and go beyond the curriculum though. For example, in 5th grade my child did an electricity city project in science. This was not a party of the HGC science curriculum bc there is no HGC science curriculum. But this teacher ôknew that the students could handle/needed science enrichment so provided it. I think that there are some HGC teachers who really go beyond the curriculum (which is great).

Yes, my child did that too. That teacher definitely goes beyond the curriculum to levels the kids need.

I asked that teacher once about the curriculum and teacher looked at me like I had two heads and said "I just make sure these kids get what they need." My child loved that class.