Erroneous info or big enrollment loophole?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We moved OOB from an IB admission after years of attending an otherwise highly enrolled and performing elementary school in Capitol Hill. No one has bothered us about it. We moved in 3rd grade after attending PS3-2nd, moving literally down the street into a bigger house. No principal nor school community in their right mind would want us to leave. You mean, after spending six years educating our child to become an excellent scholar, you'd want him to enter the testing grades one school over?! And I can't see DCPS wanting to bear down on cases like these.

While I'm sure this "loophole" can be used and abused strategically, I can't readily see a rule and its implementation that would catch the "bad apples" without dredging up a whole lot of legitimate cases. Going after that is an excellent example of a policy whose good intentions will result in overkill, especially in elementary school.

If you're really worried about people scamming feeder rights, then that's another issue that should be solved in its own right.

Which school, please? We would love to move out of the Brent boundary to get a bigger, cheaper house elsewhere on Capitol Hill and stay at Brent, but that is against the rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is more of a thing here and the rules are
1) if you got into a feeder school as an OOB kid, your rights are permanent - you get Lafayette Deal Wilson
2) if you are at at JKLM and move OOB after they have checked residency you have the right to remain for the rest of the year, but not afterwards, and you lose all feeder rights you had by being at whatever school you just got out of

Kind of seems like the OOB kids have a bit of an advantage - like Charter school kids, their parents can move anywhere in the city, although I guess there is no OOB sibling preference?

Schools are sized based on projections which come from boundary population estimates. OOB is added on after that if there is room in a given class. If every apartment IB could be turned over to add IB students who get to stay even after they leave the apartment and new kids move in, it would be even harder than it currently is to control school size. Essentially rental properties could become revolving doors with no exit.

Without principal discretion, IB families who want to move need to lottery into their IB school (hopefully before moving OOB so they don't skip a year) to get to stay. Perhaps people in that category should get a lottery preference "Former IB student." That would serve the same principle of keeping cohorts together and educational consistency for students, while still allowing the school to control its population and class size.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We moved OOB from an IB admission after years of attending an otherwise highly enrolled and performing elementary school in Capitol Hill. No one has bothered us about it. We moved in 3rd grade after attending PS3-2nd, moving literally down the street into a bigger house. No principal nor school community in their right mind would want us to leave. You mean, after spending six years educating our child to become an excellent scholar, you'd want him to enter the testing grades one school over?! And I can't see DCPS wanting to bear down on cases like these.

While I'm sure this "loophole" can be used and abused strategically, I can't readily see a rule and its implementation that would catch the "bad apples" without dredging up a whole lot of legitimate cases. Going after that is an excellent example of a policy whose good intentions will result in overkill, especially in elementary school.

If you're really worried about people scamming feeder rights, then that's another issue that should be solved in its own right.

Which school, please? We would love to move out of the Brent boundary to get a bigger, cheaper house elsewhere on Capitol Hill and stay at Brent, but that is against the rules.

Speak with your principal. Assuming you're in that same situation, not just cycling in and out a year at a time, I can't imagine a categorical no.

[Anonymous]

People love spouting off the "rules" which were supposedly created a year ago when the DME boundary process finalized. But frankly I think of lot of that stuff has been tabled or quietly not implemented. It is clear that DCPS principals (I can't speak to charters) still have significant leeway in how they handle when their families move outside of the school boundary, but remain tax payers in the District.

[Anonymous]

I would definitely ask the My School DC Lottery people at the EdFest. They really know the answers and all of the nitty-gritty details of the lottery and IB, OB rights, etc. I found in our tours last year the principals and administrative people at the schools really didn't understand all the details of how the lottery works, the boundaries, feeder rights, etc. Don't rely on the information that they give you. Stick with the source and ask the Lottery folks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People love spouting off the "rules" which were supposedly created a year ago when the DME boundary process finalized. But frankly I think of lot of that stuff has been tabled or quietly not implemented. It is clear that DCPS principals (I can't speak to charters) still have significant leeway in how they handle when their families move outside of the school boundary, but remain tax payers in the District.

Right -- and this particular recommendation (Recommendation 4) is even listed as "pending" in the final recommendation document, and says that the answer will be in the lottery handbook a year in advance before it is implemented. I'm in this situation, and I've combed the materials for the *current* rules, and I can't find them. So I'm assuming its discretion, but who knows? (Also, if you have a link or can otherwise point me to the cite of the *current* rules, I'd be grateful!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would definitely ask the My School DC Lottery people at the EdFest. They really know the answers and all of the nitty-gritty details of the lottery and IB, OB rights, etc. I found in our tours last year the principals and administrative people at the schools really didn't understand all the details of how the lottery works, the boundaries, feeder rights, etc. Don't rely on the information that they give you. Stick with the source and ask the Lottery folks.

Yes, but they don't set the policy--central office does. And although the prior mayor accepted the DME proposal to require people to leave their school once they move OOB unless they received an OOB slot through the lottery, this mayor has not implemented that. I doubt you will get central office to say that you can stay in once you move--more likely, they will simply say there is no written policy. Thus, principal discretion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We moved OOB from an IB admission after years of attending an otherwise highly enrolled and performing elementary school in Capitol Hill. No one has bothered us about it. We moved in 3rd grade after attending PS3-2nd, moving literally down the street into a bigger house. No principal nor school community in their right mind would want us to leave. You mean, after spending six years educating our child to become an excellent scholar, you'd want him to enter the testing grades one school over?! And I can't see DCPS wanting to bear down on cases like these.

While I'm sure this "loophole" can be used and abused strategically, I can't readily see a rule and its implementation that would catch the "bad apples" without dredging up a whole lot of legitimate cases. Going after that is an excellent example of a policy whose good intentions will result in overkill, especially in elementary school.

If you're really worried about people scamming feeder rights, then that's another issue that should be solved in its own right.

Which school, please? We would love to move out of the Brent boundary to get a bigger, cheaper house elsewhere on Capitol Hill and stay at Brent, but that is against the rules.

Speak with your principal. Assuming you're in that same situation, not just cycling in and out a year at a time, I can't imagine a categorical no.

Who cycles in and out of Brent a year at a time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is more of a thing here and the rules are
1) if you got into a feeder school as an OOB kid, your rights are permanent - you get Lafayette Deal Wilson
2) if you are at at JKLM and move OOB after they have checked residency you have the right to remain for the rest of the year, but not afterwards, and you lose all feeder rights you had by being at whatever school you just got out of

Kind of seems like the OOB kids have a bit of an advantage - like Charter school kids, their parents can move anywhere in the city, although I guess there is no OOB sibling preference?

Keep telling yourself that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is more of a thing here and the rules are
1) if you got into a feeder school as an OOB kid, your rights are permanent - you get Lafayette Deal Wilson
2) if you are at at JKLM and move OOB after they have checked residency you have the right to remain for the rest of the year, but not afterwards, and you lose all feeder rights you had by being at whatever school you just got out of

Kind of seems like the OOB kids have a bit of an advantage - like Charter school kids, their parents can move anywhere in the city, although I guess there is no OOB sibling preference?

There is a 'sibling enrolled' preference (so the younger sibling of an enrolled OOB child will have a preference under another OOB child). But an IB with sibling ranks higher.

[Anonymous]

DC schools have massive issues with attracting a cohesive community. Kicking kids out for moving oob is completely at cross purpose to having a stable educational environment for students, and a strong parent community. Especially in elementary school, a family investing in a school should feel invested--which they will if they spend six or seven years there. Not if they don't.

Again, New York, which has much richer people and much more expensive real estate had the policy for elementary that once you are in, you are in. Kids commuted from Staten island to attend our blue ribbon Brooklyn school when their family's housing situation changed. And you know what? That was good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is more of a thing here and the rules are
1) if you got into a feeder school as an OOB kid, your rights are permanent - you get Lafayette Deal Wilson
2) if you are at at JKLM and move OOB after they have checked residency you have the right to remain for the rest of the year, but not afterwards, and you lose all feeder rights you had by being at whatever school you just got out of

Kind of seems like the OOB kids have a bit of an advantage - like Charter school kids, their parents can move anywhere in the city, although I guess there is no OOB sibling preference?

Keep telling yourself that

Agree. Also can we stop using JKLM when we really mean WOTP? Only half of JKLM feeds to Deal which is the real problem, and we've already seen that all schools WOTP are pretty much he same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is more of a thing here and the rules are
1) if you got into a feeder school as an OOB kid, your rights are permanent - you get Lafayette Deal Wilson
2) if you are at at JKLM and move OOB after they have checked residency you have the right to remain for the rest of the year, but not afterwards, and you lose all feeder rights you had by being at whatever school you just got out of

Kind of seems like the OOB kids have a bit of an advantage - like Charter school kids, their parents can move anywhere in the city, although I guess there is no OOB sibling preference?

Keep telling yourself that

Agree. Also can we stop using JKLM when we really mean WOTP? Only half of JKLM feeds to Deal which is the real problem, and we've already seen that all schools WOTP are pretty much he same.

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Oh, never mind -- Deal Boundary Schools. DBS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is more of a thing here and the rules are
1) if you got into a feeder school as an OOB kid, your rights are permanent - you get Lafayette Deal Wilson
2) if you are at at JKLM and move OOB after they have checked residency you have the right to remain for the rest of the year, but not afterwards, and you lose all feeder rights you had by being at whatever school you just got out of

Kind of seems like the OOB kids have a bit of an advantage - like Charter school kids, their parents can move anywhere in the city, although I guess there is no OOB sibling preference?

Keep telling yourself that

Agree. Also can we stop using JKLM when we really mean WOTP? Only half of JKLM feeds to Deal which is the real problem, and we've already seen that all schools WOTP are pretty much he same.

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JaMLaBaSH?
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Oh, never mind -- Deal Boundary Schools. DBS?

I don't see any Es after your first one. Also no Ross? No shepherd? Maybe just stick to Wilson feeders, or if you don't want to leave out Ross and Brent you say HRDCPS?

[Anonymous]

I like HRDCPS that way it can mean different schools to different people, no more need to change it once then next school becomes "awesome"