Substitute teachers - what are the rules?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We've had a sub for the entire year so far. Apparently they didn't plan well enough and we started with 39 kids in a classroom. The principal seemed to think that was OK but after a lot of pushback split the class in two and has put in a sub in a new class. There is a 100 day limit for subs but it looks like it can be ignored by the principal and he has stated we might have her for the whole year. He claims to be looking for a full time replacement but the position is not even advertised.

So short answer, yes, there is a 100 day limit but they can ignore it.

Sunrise Valley?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We've had a sub for the entire year so far. Apparently they didn't plan well enough and we started with 39 kids in a classroom. The principal seemed to think that was OK but after a lot of pushback split the class in two and has put in a sub in a new class. There is a 100 day limit for subs but it looks like it can be ignored by the principal and he has stated we might have her for the whole year. He claims to be looking for a full time replacement but the position is not even advertised.

So short answer, yes, there is a 100 day limit but they can ignore it.

Sunrise Valley?

90 day limit and all it means is the sub can't sub for more than 90 days, but if the sub takes a day off the 90 days will start at 0

[Anonymous]

Sub get paid nothing. It's no wonder no one wants to be a sub.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since you don't know why the teacher is absent so much (and legally can't know), I would tread lightly.

The issue of LT sub is up to the principal, but they cost more. And if the absences are sporadic, that is problematic.

As an example, in K, my DD's teacher started missing a lot of work. Turns out the issue was cancer; she passed away the next year. Now, there are legal protections for people with disabilities (and many chronic illnesses are considered disabilities).

And you say several times, but how many? 3 or 4 in a quarter is not a lot. 10 or 15 would be.

I disagree. I have not missed 3 or 4 days of work in the last 12-years let alone in one 9-week period filled with 4 day or less work days. Unfortunately, since the teacher is more likely female, less likely to be the breadwinner in the family, and seems to be able to take off without repercussion, they are usually the ones that stay home when their child is sick as opposed to the other parent. At my work, if a child is sick, usually parents rotate days off. The exception is the guy whose wife is a teacher, she takes of for sick days, kids' appointments, he never missed work for that.

A teacher can take days off without repercussion? I doubt you've ever had to create a sub plan, it's generally more work than it's worth. Additionally, teachers (especially in the lower grades) are exposed to an inordinate amount of germs, seriously, there should be hazard pay

+1 My sister-in-law says that when she was a teacher, she was sick far more often.

Also, teachers aren't necessarily out sick every time they have a substitute. Sometimes they are at an all day workshop or conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sub get paid nothing. It's no wonder no one wants to be a sub.

Huh, keep up, the problem it too much sub, no problem finding one

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No I agree with OP. The teacher should just keep a bucket next to her to vomit right there in the room so OP's snowflake's education isn't "disrupted."

Lol! I teach in MD and have a chronic condition that causes (among other symptoms) frequent vomiting. I was at a school with parents notorious for harassing teachers and admin over staff absences. I really tried to tough out the first year after diagnosis. My strategy was lots of Zofran and not eating after 8 pm the night before but sometimes the nausea got the better of me and I had to miss first period. I LOL'd because I was teaching an AP Course and a parent actually suggested I keep a stack of air sickness bags in my desk instead of vomiting in the comfort of my own bathroom. When I balked, she complained above my principal. The admin suggested I take a leave of absence for short term disability. I did. Ironically, the LTS that was hired was not certified in the subject area and took off for a few days before the AP exams, leaving a short term sub in his place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since you don't know why the teacher is absent so much (and legally can't know), I would tread lightly.

The issue of LT sub is up to the principal, but they cost more. And if the absences are sporadic, that is problematic.

As an example, in K, my DD's teacher started missing a lot of work. Turns out the issue was cancer; she passed away the next year. Now, there are legal protections for people with disabilities (and many chronic illnesses are considered disabilities).

And you say several times, but how many? 3 or 4 in a quarter is not a lot. 10 or 15 would be.

I disagree. I have not missed 3 or 4 days of work in the last 12-years let alone in one 9-week period filled with 4 day or less work days. Unfortunately, since the teacher is more likely female, less likely to be the breadwinner in the family, and seems to be able to take off without repercussion, they are usually the ones that stay home when their child is sick as opposed to the other parent. At my work, if a child is sick, usually parents rotate days off. The exception is the guy whose wife is a teacher, she takes of for sick days, kids' appointments, he never missed work for that.

If what you say is true, advocate for your district to pay teachers a fair salary so that the teacher spouse has more equity in the marriage when it comes to splitting sick kid childcare.

[Anonymous]

I've seen this as a teacher with someone on my staff who is out of the building a lot. Every year a parent complains and their kid ends up in another class magically. Tell the administration your concerns but be open to your child switching classes as this might be the easiest/only solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've seen this as a teacher with someone on my staff who is out of the building a lot. Every year a parent complains and their kid ends up in another class magically. Tell the administration your concerns but be open to your child switching classes as this might be the easiest/only solution.

Fine if you are okay with a potential domino effect on DC's schedule. Sometimes a one to one switch isn't possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since you don't know why the teacher is absent so much (and legally can't know), I would tread lightly.

The issue of LT sub is up to the principal, but they cost more. And if the absences are sporadic, that is problematic.

As an example, in K, my DD's teacher started missing a lot of work. Turns out the issue was cancer; she passed away the next year. Now, there are legal protections for people with disabilities (and many chronic illnesses are considered disabilities).

And you say several times, but how many? 3 or 4 in a quarter is not a lot. 10 or 15 would be.

I disagree. I have not missed 3 or 4 days of work in the last 12-years let alone in one 9-week period filled with 4 day or less work days. Unfortunately, since the teacher is more likely female, less likely to be the breadwinner in the family, and seems to be able to take off without repercussion, they are usually the ones that stay home when their child is sick as opposed to the other parent. At my work, if a child is sick, usually parents rotate days off. The exception is the guy whose wife is a teacher, she takes of for sick days, kids' appointments, he never missed work for that.

You realize teachers have to get subs even when they're at school but are attending meetings/
Or workshops for the day . Just bc they have a sub doesn't mean they're at home taking a day off.

[Anonymous]

My child's 1st grade's teacher has been taking more than 4 days off already. The class has a different substitute each time teacher is absent.

[Anonymous]

I wonder who chooses the substitutes, 'cause non of them seem to be train to teach anything in a professional way. From 6, just 1 performed a decent job with my child. Most of them were grumpy fat ladies with no energy to teach anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder who chooses the substitutes, 'cause non of them seem to be train to teach anything in a professional way. From 6, just 1 performed a decent job with my child. Most of them were grumpy fat ladies with no energy to teach anything.

Oops! Correcting typo: trained

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child's 1st grade's teacher has been taking more than 4 days off already. The class has a different substitute each time teacher is absent.

Not bad for two months of school.

Teacher immune systems take a beating in the fall. If only teachers could be responsible enough to schedule their stomach flu between mid-June and mid-August, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since you don't know why the teacher is absent so much (and legally can't know), I would tread lightly.

The issue of LT sub is up to the principal, but they cost more. And if the absences are sporadic, that is problematic.

As an example, in K, my DD's teacher started missing a lot of work. Turns out the issue was cancer; she passed away the next year. Now, there are legal protections for people with disabilities (and many chronic illnesses are considered disabilities).

And you say several times, but how many? 3 or 4 in a quarter is not a lot. 10 or 15 would be.

I disagree. I have not missed 3 or 4 days of work in the last 12-years let alone in one 9-week period filled with 4 day or less work days. Unfortunately, since the teacher is more likely female, less likely to be the breadwinner in the family, and seems to be able to take off without repercussion, they are usually the ones that stay home when their child is sick as opposed to the other parent. At my work, if a child is sick, usually parents rotate days off. The exception is the guy whose wife is a teacher, she takes of for sick days, kids' appointments, he never missed work for that.

Are you a teacher?