Anyone's child do well enough on the COGAT to get into AAP, after not so great NNAT?

[Anonymous]

Cogat consists of 3 parts - quantitative, verbal, nonverbal. The nonverbal part is similar to NNat. It might be that this is an area that simply is not your child's forte. In this case, she would need a good score in other parts to achieve a decent composite. Also, even if the composite remains below cut-off, they might tweak the cut-off again so that a high score in any subtest will put the child in the pool.
It's also possible that the child just did not have a good day when NNat was written. It is a one-day test after all.
And then there's also the possibility that Nnat correctly reflects the child's standing.
In our case, it was the opposite - Nnat was super high, as was the Cogat nonverbal part. Verbal and quantitative not that great. In the pool and in AAP; second month in so too early to draw any conclusions but happy and engaged.

[Anonymous]

To the OP: I would caution against "pinning your hopes." It could be your child is very bright but not to the level to qualify for AAP. Please don't project expectations onto your child.

[Anonymous]

If the Cogat comes back 130 or above then you should parent refer and let the committee deal with it.

You can parent refer regardless of the Cogat, but not getting 130 there with that NNAT means that your child won't get in. 130+ and you have a chance as PP's experience indicates.

[Anonymous]

What's annoying this year is that you need to parent refer by Jan. 15, which may be before the Cogat scores come back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's annoying this year is that you need to parent refer by Jan. 15, which may be before the Cogat scores come back.

True, the deadline is earlier this year, but the last 2 years the scores weren't back before the app deadline either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's annoying this year is that you need to parent refer by Jan. 15, which may be before the Cogat scores come back.

True, the deadline is earlier this year, but the last 2 years the scores weren't back before the app deadline either.

Yes they were - at least two years ago. We had my child's scores before the deadline. However, it was pretty close to the deadline. This year I am not sure if we will have the scores before the deadline though. The school will eventually put the scores on the application though.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, do you think your child is gifted and needs to be in a full time gifted class?

Don't answer that OP. It's a trap!

LOL, how is that a trap? Isn't that the actual point? Is your kid gifted enough to need a full time gifted class?

[Anonymous]

My child had a 110 on the NNAT but a GBRS of 16, in the pool and admitted. I think the NNAT scores can be pretty random depending on whether a child is good at those picture puzzles, whether a kid gets bored waiting for everyone else to turn the page, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's annoying this year is that you need to parent refer by Jan. 15, which may be before the Cogat scores come back.

Why? Let's face it. Your kid is either gifted or not.

[Anonymous]

NNAT tests non-verbal

CogAT has 3 parts. Quantitative, Verbal, and non-verbal.

So the NNAT only models 1/3 of the abilities the CogAT measures. If they are exceptional in Quantitative or Verbal, it will pull the composite score up, and vice versa. 79th percentile is close enough you're well into the zone. As you get farther from the mean/median/average, the numbers get small and big swings happen with small score differentials.

Some years, the composite is used for the "pool" some years it's individual scores. The criteria for which one they use changes yearly without explanation and is part of the secret process that drives analytical parents nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the Cogat comes back 130 or above then you should parent refer and let the committee deal with it.

You can parent refer regardless of the Cogat, but not getting 130 there with that NNAT means that your child won't get in. 130+ and you have a chance as PP's experience indicates.

Nonsense. Kids can/do get in with scores below 130. Though I agree that below 130 you'll need a strong GBRS.

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Anonymous wrote:If the Cogat comes back 130 or above then you should parent refer and let the committee deal with it.

You can parent refer regardless of the Cogat, but not getting 130 there with that NNAT means that your child won't get in. 130+ and you have a chance as PP's experience indicates.

Nonsense. Kids can/do get in with scores below 130. Though I agree that below 130 you'll need a strong GBRS.

Please let us know how many kids will get in with 113 NNAT and sub 130 Cogat.

The NNAT score is what OP is dealing with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:79th percentile does not belong in AAP. If the CogAT comes out in the 95th or better percentile -- then fine. But, that is unlikely given that there is a non-verbal section on the CogAT and a similar score on that would bring the composite score down.

OP -- best of luck, but be realistic. The PP has shown it is possible, but I'm sure that is uncommon.

Not unusual. My DC did terribly on the NNAT and scored in the 90s on all 3 parts of the CogAT with no prepping. Got into AAP with 15 GBRS. Maybe OP's DC had an off day. The CogAT is over three days so hopefully there's less of a chance of having 2 or 3 off days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the Cogat comes back 130 or above then you should parent refer and let the committee deal with it.

You can parent refer regardless of the Cogat, but not getting 130 there with that NNAT means that your child won't get in. 130+ and you have a chance as PP's experience indicates.

If all three sections are in the high 120s, then it will show your DC is strong across the board, so I would parent refer, especially if you think DC will get a high GBRS. It can't hurt. Don't listen to anyone who says a child "won't get in" because they aren't making the decision and have no clue. I know someone whose kid got in with 118 as the highest score on the three sections of the CogAT with a GBRS of 12. And before people start assuming the child must have been a minority, the child was white. The scores of those admitted are all over the place, if your child's scores are decent, it can't hurt to try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Cogat comes back 130 or above then you should parent refer and let the committee deal with it.

You can parent refer regardless of the Cogat, but not getting 130 there with that NNAT means that your child won't get in. 130+ and you have a chance as PP's experience indicates.

If all three sections are in the high 120s, then it will show your DC is strong across the board, so I would parent refer, especially if you think DC will get a high GBRS. It can't hurt. Don't listen to anyone who says a child "won't get in" because they aren't making the decision and have no clue. I know someone whose kid got in with 118 as the highest score on the three sections of the CogAT with a GBRS of 12. And before people start assuming the child must have been a minority, the child was white. The scores of those admitted are all over the place, if your child's scores are decent, it can't hurt to try.

What was that kid's NNAT?

I can easily see a kid with a good GBRS (12 is good for AAP) and a very good NNAT *or* Cogat getting in - as a committee member, I would see 2 out of 3 being AAP qualifying so I would toss the low score.

The thing is OP's kid already has a low score (the NNAT), so the child cannot afford another low score in the Cogat if they want to get into AAP.