Can God only do GOOD works?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

This is a main reason why I do not believe. The world we live in is incompatible with the existence of a god who is All Powerful, all Knowing AND All Good. Two of the three, ok. The third never works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

This is a main reason why I do not believe. The world we live in is incompatible with the existence of a god who is All Powerful, all Knowing AND All Good. Two of the three, ok. The third never works.

Or people blame it on influence and interference from Satan/the Devil. Which would make Satan a God, and thus not monotheistic. Which is actually why polytheistic religions make much more sense to me, and much more plausible than one single omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, good God.

(but I don't believe in any gods)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:God (or whatever name you choose) is the loving Source of all. He/She is all good. All loving.

Humans are working towards that God consciousness. Most of us just have a long way to go. We have plenty of way-showers in our world. Jesus is the Christian example. Imagine a world where people were more like those amazingly awake individuals.

We are expressions of God on earth. When we choose to act in opposition to that true nature, bad things happen. Just my opinion after many years of study. And yes, I am a Unity person. All paths are equally valid. All fingers point to the same moon

Including the baby born with cancer and the innocents killed in a tsumani? This does not sound like an opinion based on years of study - it sounds like an incredibly weak rationalizion -- a way to turn off thinking and believe what makes you feel good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

This is a main reason why I do not believe. The world we live in is incompatible with the existence of a god who is All Powerful, all Knowing AND All Good. Two of the three, ok. The third never works.

Or people blame it on influence and interference from Satan/the Devil. Which would make Satan a God, and thus not monotheistic. Which is actually why polytheistic religions make much more sense to me, and much more plausible than one single omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, good God.

(but I don't believe in any gods)

I am the PP who said you can't have all three, and I don't think people can blame anything on Satan, nor can you have more than one God because then you have to give up on the all-powerful part. Nothing can beat an all-powerful God (not satan and not another god).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:God (or whatever name you choose) is the loving Source of all. He/She is all good. All loving.

Humans are working towards that God consciousness. Most of us just have a long way to go. We have plenty of way-showers in our world. Jesus is the Christian example. Imagine a world where people were more like those amazingly awake individuals.

We are expressions of God on earth. When we choose to act in opposition to that true nature, bad things happen. Just my opinion after many years of study. And yes, I am a Unity person. All paths are equally valid. All fingers point to the same moon

Bad things ONLY happen if we choose to act in opposition? That's what you are saying? Every bad thing is a result of humans acting in opposition?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

As a parent of adult children do they make their own choices? Suffer their own consequences for those choices? If God interfered with all that happens on earth don't we loose our freedom to chose?

I totally get this. But do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Yes and in that case you are asking for assistance or intervention. Just as my adult children needs to ask for me to assist them. Keep in mind that at times I won't assist as I feel it is best not to or I am unable. At other times I go beyond what they ask for. In a similar fashion not all prayers can or will be answered and at times the answer will be above and beyond. Remember what Christ expressed in his prayer "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Ceding to his will and wisdom is tough...but Christ's example is there for us and should be followed to the best of our ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

As a parent of adult children do they make their own choices? Suffer their own consequences for those choices? If God interfered with all that happens on earth don't we loose our freedom to chose?

says an adult whose understanding of Christianity hasn't changed since childhood.

I totally get this. But do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Yes and in that case you are asking for assistance or intervention. Just as my adult children needs to ask for me to assist them. Keep in mind that at times I won't assist as I feel it is best not to or I am unable. At other times I go beyond what they ask for. In a similar fashion not all prayers can or will be answered and at times the answer will be above and beyond. Remember what Christ expressed in his prayer "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Ceding to his will and wisdom is tough...but Christ's example is there for us and should be followed to the best of our ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

As a parent of adult children do they make their own choices? Suffer their own consequences for those choices? If God interfered with all that happens on earth don't we loose our freedom to chose?

I totally get this. But do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Yes and in that case you are asking for assistance or intervention. Just as my adult children needs to ask for me to assist them. Keep in mind that at times I won't assist as I feel it is best not to or I am unable. At other times I go beyond what they ask for. In a similar fashion not all prayers can or will be answered and at times the answer will be above and beyond. Remember what Christ expressed in his prayer "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Ceding to his will and wisdom is tough...but Christ's example is there for us and should be followed to the best of our ability.

says an adult whose understanding of Christianity hasn't changed since childhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

As a parent of adult children do they make their own choices? Suffer their own consequences for those choices? If God interfered with all that happens on earth don't we loose our freedom to chose?

I totally get this. But do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Yes and in that case you are asking for assistance or intervention. Just as my adult children needs to ask for me to assist them. Keep in mind that at times I won't assist as I feel it is best not to or I am unable. At other times I go beyond what they ask for. In a similar fashion not all prayers can or will be answered and at times the answer will be above and beyond. Remember what Christ expressed in his prayer "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Ceding to his will and wisdom is tough...but Christ's example is there for us and should be followed to the best of our ability.

says an adult whose understanding of Christianity hasn't changed since childhood.

Drive by comment with no substance. Show something that adds to or refutes or keep driving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

As a parent of adult children do they make their own choices? Suffer their own consequences for those choices? If God interfered with all that happens on earth don't we loose our freedom to chose?

I totally get this. But do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Yes and in that case you are asking for assistance or intervention. Just as my adult children needs to ask for me to assist them. Keep in mind that at times I won't assist as I feel it is best not to or I am unable. At other times I go beyond what they ask for. In a similar fashion not all prayers can or will be answered and at times the answer will be above and beyond. Remember what Christ expressed in his prayer "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Ceding to his will and wisdom is tough...but Christ's example is there for us and should be followed to the best of our ability.

says an adult whose understanding of Christianity hasn't changed since childhood.

Drive by comment with no substance. Show something that adds to or refutes or keep driving.

^^Pot calling kettle black

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

As a parent of adult children do they make their own choices? Suffer their own consequences for those choices? If God interfered with all that happens on earth don't we loose our freedom to chose?

I totally get this. But do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Yes and in that case you are asking for assistance or intervention. Just as my adult children needs to ask for me to assist them. Keep in mind that at times I won't assist as I feel it is best not to or I am unable. At other times I go beyond what they ask for. In a similar fashion not all prayers can or will be answered and at times the answer will be above and beyond. Remember what Christ expressed in his prayer "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Ceding to his will and wisdom is tough...but Christ's example is there for us and should be followed to the best of our ability.

says an adult whose understanding of Christianity hasn't changed since childhood.

Drive by comment with no substance. Show something that adds to or refutes or keep driving.

^^Pot calling kettle black

Show something that adds to or refutes or keep driving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

As a parent of adult children do they make their own choices? Suffer their own consequences for those choices? If God interfered with all that happens on earth don't we loose our freedom to chose?

I totally get this. But do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Yes and in that case you are asking for assistance or intervention. Just as my adult children needs to ask for me to assist them. Keep in mind that at times I won't assist as I feel it is best not to or I am unable. At other times I go beyond what they ask for. In a similar fashion not all prayers can or will be answered and at times the answer will be above and beyond. Remember what Christ expressed in his prayer "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Ceding to his will and wisdom is tough...but Christ's example is there for us and should be followed to the best of our ability.

NP here...
Yes people make their own choices. But they do not always know or understand or are responsible for the consequences. You may choose to drive your car, knowing full well there is a chance of becoming killed or injured; But when a texting driver crosses the center line and head on collides with you who choose the collision to happen? Was it yours for just being there, was it the texting drivers, was it God's, or was it someone or something else? And if you were injured or killed in the collision who choose how badly you should be injured or who choose if you should live or die? Did you make those choices?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

As a parent of adult children do they make their own choices? Suffer their own consequences for those choices? If God interfered with all that happens on earth don't we loose our freedom to chose?

I totally get this. But do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Yes and in that case you are asking for assistance or intervention. Just as my adult children needs to ask for me to assist them. Keep in mind that at times I won't assist as I feel it is best not to or I am unable. At other times I go beyond what they ask for. In a similar fashion not all prayers can or will be answered and at times the answer will be above and beyond. Remember what Christ expressed in his prayer "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Ceding to his will and wisdom is tough...but Christ's example is there for us and should be followed to the best of our ability.

NP here...
Yes people make their own choices. But they do not always know or understand or are responsible for the consequences. You may choose to drive your car, knowing full well there is a chance of becoming killed or injured; But when a texting driver crosses the center line and head on collides with you who choose the collision to happen? Was it yours for just being there, was it the texting drivers, was it God's, or was it someone or something else? And if you were injured or killed in the collision who choose how badly you should be injured or who choose if you should live or die? Did you make those choices?

I think this scenario would fit the category mentioned above of "ceding to his will and wisdom." As mentioned, it can be tough, but if your faith is strong, it will see you through anything God sends us. If you die from your injuries, you will go to heaven to live eternally with God. If you suffer from your injuries, God has a reason for this that you don't understand, but you will later. If you recover fully or are not injured at all -- god has other rings in store for you, which you'll find out about later.

Non- believers and even some believers will have problems with this explanation, but it is well known and accepted by practicing Christians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

As a parent of adult children do they make their own choices? Suffer their own consequences for those choices? If God interfered with all that happens on earth don't we loose our freedom to chose?

I totally get this. But do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Yes and in that case you are asking for assistance or intervention. Just as my adult children needs to ask for me to assist them. Keep in mind that at times I won't assist as I feel it is best not to or I am unable. At other times I go beyond what they ask for. In a similar fashion not all prayers can or will be answered and at times the answer will be above and beyond. Remember what Christ expressed in his prayer "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Ceding to his will and wisdom is tough...but Christ's example is there for us and should be followed to the best of our ability.

NP here...
Yes people make their own choices. But they do not always know or understand or are responsible for the consequences. You may choose to drive your car, knowing full well there is a chance of becoming killed or injured; But when a texting driver crosses the center line and head on collides with you who choose the collision to happen? Was it yours for just being there, was it the texting drivers, was it God's, or was it someone or something else? And if you were injured or killed in the collision who choose how badly you should be injured or who choose if you should live or die? Did you make those choices?

I think this scenario would fit the category mentioned above of "ceding to his will and wisdom." As mentioned, it can be tough, but if your faith is strong, it will see you through anything God sends us. If you die from your injuries, you will go to heaven to live eternally with God. If you suffer from your injuries, God has a reason for this that you don't understand, but you will later. If you recover fully or are not injured at all -- god has other rings in store for you, which you'll find out about later.

Non- believers and even some believers will have problems with this explanation, but it is well known and accepted by practicing Christians.

In other words, some fairy tales have happy endings. Others don't.

That was easy enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or does he also play a role in the bad? I am just curious, and not trying to be snarky, either.

This is contradictory.

If god could do good but doesn't, isn't that the same as having a role in the bad? I mean if a person stood by while a toddler drowned in a shallow river, what would you think of that person? Do you think someone like that has good morals or bad morals? If such a person is despicable to you, why do you worship a god who behaves the same way?

On the other hand, if god didn't do it because he can't, is he still god?

So if you propose a omnipotent god who can only do good, that means there can be no bad in the world because he cannot let any bad happen.

As a parent of adult children do they make their own choices? Suffer their own consequences for those choices? If God interfered with all that happens on earth don't we loose our freedom to chose?

I totally get this. But do you believe in "the power of prayer"?

Yes and in that case you are asking for assistance or intervention. Just as my adult children needs to ask for me to assist them. Keep in mind that at times I won't assist as I feel it is best not to or I am unable. At other times I go beyond what they ask for. In a similar fashion not all prayers can or will be answered and at times the answer will be above and beyond. Remember what Christ expressed in his prayer "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Ceding to his will and wisdom is tough...but Christ's example is there for us and should be followed to the best of our ability.

NP here...
Yes people make their own choices. But they do not always know or understand or are responsible for the consequences. You may choose to drive your car, knowing full well there is a chance of becoming killed or injured; But when a texting driver crosses the center line and head on collides with you who choose the collision to happen? Was it yours for just being there, was it the texting drivers, was it God's, or was it someone or something else? And if you were injured or killed in the collision who choose how badly you should be injured or who choose if you should live or die? Did you make those choices?

I think this scenario would fit the category mentioned above of "ceding to his will and wisdom." As mentioned, it can be tough, but if your faith is strong, it will see you through anything God sends us. If you die from your injuries, you will go to heaven to live eternally with God. If you suffer from your injuries, God has a reason for this that you don't understand, but you will later. If you recover fully or are not injured at all -- god has other rings in store for you, which you'll find out about later.

Non- believers and even some believers will have problems with this explanation, but it is well known and accepted by practicing Christians.

In other words, some fairy tales have happy endings. Others don't.

That was easy enough.

If you're an atheist, yes. If you're doubting your religion, the above scenario may lead to further doubts or tempt you to just put it in the back of your mind because it is so confusing. However, if your faith is strong, it will remain intact, because you know God is in control and watching over you and will carry out his plan from you.