Potomac/Hoover/Churchill v. Travilah/Frost/Wootton

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with white people? Why is it bad to be with white people?

I think that you must have posted this on the wrong thread by mistake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with white people? Why is it bad to be with white people?

Did anyone say it was bad? OP stated that they wanted a bit of diversity. Wootton and Churchill doesn't have much of it. That's all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with white people? Why is it bad to be with white people?

Did anyone say it was bad? OP stated that they wanted a bit of diversity. Wootton and Churchill doesn't have much of it. That's all.

There is diversity-- just not a lot of Low income AA and Hispanic. But lots of diverse Asians and Middle Eastern cultures. If diverse means only AA and Hispansic then, No, Potomac is not diverse. But if diverse means a broad range of cultures from all continents, then yes, Potomac is diverse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what you are saying is that the school population does not mirror the US population? This is different than saying the school is not diverse.

But Wootton actually is not diverse, in the ways that MCPS measures diversity. Of course these are not the only possible measures of diversity. But they are a good first step.

I think it is very narrow, parochial first step. We are all citizens of the world -- and that world is 60% Asian. So, yes Wootton lacks diversity because its Asian population is too small (40% rather than 60%), but it is still the largest of any high school in the county.

And, yes while it is great to have Hispanic kids whose families are from Central and South America, it is also great to have kids whose families are from Iran, Serbia, Ethiopia, Vietnam, and Sri Lanka (to name the home countries of some classmates of my daughter at a Churchill cluster elementary school)

And back to the OPs question, Churchill and Wooton may not be diverse in ways that matter to MCPS bean counters, but they are diverse in ways that should matter to a parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what you are saying is that the school population does not mirror the US population? This is different than saying the school is not diverse.

But Wootton actually is not diverse, in the ways that MCPS measures diversity. Of course these are not the only possible measures of diversity. But they are a good first step.

I think it is very narrow, parochial first step. We are all citizens of the world -- and that world is 60% Asian. So, yes Wootton lacks diversity because its Asian population is too small (40% rather than 60%), but it is still the largest of any high school in the county.

And, yes while it is great to have Hispanic kids whose families are from Central and South America, it is also great to have kids whose families are from Iran, Serbia, Ethiopia, Vietnam, and Sri Lanka (to name the home countries of some classmates of my daughter at a Churchill cluster elementary school)

And back to the OPs question, Churchill and Wooton may not be diverse in ways that matter to MCPS bean counters, but they are diverse in ways that should matter to a parent.

I'm a parent, and I don't consider either of those schools diverse in the way that it matters to me, as a parent.

We are not talking about the world population. We are talking about MCPS population. A handful of Black and Latino kids is not diverse. Diverse doesn't mean just what country you are from. It has to do with the color of your skin and, in MCPS case, your SES. For example, an all white school that is mostly made of kids from all over Europe is not considered to be diverse in the way it is used in the US.

You can define "diversity" how you want it, but it won't mean the same when speaking to the general population, and certainly, not on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what you are saying is that the school population does not mirror the US population? This is different than saying the school is not diverse.

But Wootton actually is not diverse, in the ways that MCPS measures diversity. Of course these are not the only possible measures of diversity. But they are a good first step.

I think it is very narrow, parochial first step. We are all citizens of the world -- and that world is 60% Asian. So, yes Wootton lacks diversity because its Asian population is too small (40% rather than 60%), but it is still the largest of any high school in the county.

And, yes while it is great to have Hispanic kids whose families are from Central and South America, it is also great to have kids whose families are from Iran, Serbia, Ethiopia, Vietnam, and Sri Lanka (to name the home countries of some classmates of my daughter at a Churchill cluster elementary school)

And back to the OPs question, Churchill and Wooton may not be diverse in ways that matter to MCPS bean counters, but they are diverse in ways that should matter to a parent.

I'm a parent, and I don't consider either of those schools diverse in the way that it matters to me, as a parent.

We are not talking about the world population. We are talking about MCPS population. A handful of Black and Latino kids is not diverse. Diverse doesn't mean just what country you are from. It has to do with the color of your skin and, in MCPS case, your SES. For example, an all white school that is mostly made of kids from all over Europe is not considered to be diverse in the way it is used in the US.

You can define "diversity" how you want it, but it won't mean the same when speaking to the general population, and certainly, not on DCUM.

Well...the handful of black and latino kids attending Churchill or Wootton are going to have more in common with their school counterparts---their life experiences, opportunities, parental values, etc will be more in line with the surrounding community. They would not have similar life experiences as a black or Hispanic student attending say Kennedy. So yes, while their skin color defines them as "diverse"--they really aren't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what you are saying is that the school population does not mirror the US population? This is different than saying the school is not diverse.

But Wootton actually is not diverse, in the ways that MCPS measures diversity. Of course these are not the only possible measures of diversity. But they are a good first step.

I think it is very narrow, parochial first step. We are all citizens of the world -- and that world is 60% Asian. So, yes Wootton lacks diversity because its Asian population is too small (40% rather than 60%), but it is still the largest of any high school in the county.

And, yes while it is great to have Hispanic kids whose families are from Central and South America, it is also great to have kids whose families are from Iran, Serbia, Ethiopia, Vietnam, and Sri Lanka (to name the home countries of some classmates of my daughter at a Churchill cluster elementary school)

And back to the OPs question, Churchill and Wooton may not be diverse in ways that matter to MCPS bean counters, but they are diverse in ways that should matter to a parent.

I'm a parent, and I don't consider either of those schools diverse in the way that it matters to me, as a parent.

We are not talking about the world population. We are talking about MCPS population. A handful of Black and Latino kids is not diverse. Diverse doesn't mean just what country you are from. It has to do with the color of your skin and, in MCPS case, your SES. For example, an all white school that is mostly made of kids from all over Europe is not considered to be diverse in the way it is used in the US.

You can define "diversity" how you want it, but it won't mean the same when speaking to the general population, and certainly, not on DCUM.

Well...the handful of black and latino kids attending Churchill or Wootton are going to have more in common with their school counterparts---their life experiences, opportunities, parental values, etc will be more in line with the surrounding community. They would not have similar life experiences as a black or Hispanic student attending say Kennedy. So yes, while their skin color defines them as "diverse"--they really aren't.

LOL! Tell that to the black kids from Scotland area who go to Churchill. Do you even know that area?

[Anonymous]

^^ I'll give you that. I did forget about that area of Potomac.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

We are not talking about the world population. We are talking about MCPS population. A handful of Black and Latino kids is not diverse. Diverse doesn't mean just what country you are from. It has to do with the color of your skin and, in MCPS case, your SES. For example, an all white school that is mostly made of kids from all over Europe is not considered to be diverse in the way it is used in the US.

You can define "diversity" how you want it, but it won't mean the same when speaking to the general population, and certainly, not on DCUM.

I'm sorry. I didn't know there were official rules about how the word 'diverse' was to be used on DCUM. I was using the Miriam-Webster definition
"including representatives from more than one social, cultural, or economic group, especially members of ethnic or religious minority groups"

A school with kids from all over Europe would be wonderfully diverse -- Bosnian Muslims, Irish Catholics, and Anglo-Indians mixing with Portuguese and Swedes. So many different languages, cuisines, sports, music. I want my kids to learn that Montgomery County is not the world, and that "the American way" may not be shared by the rest of the world. Of course, I would much prefer that the school also included the Asian cultures that dominate the world.

On the other hand, I would find a school that was one-third white, one-third Latino, and one-third black Americans to not nearly as diverse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what you are saying is that the school population does not mirror the US population? This is different than saying the school is not diverse.

But Wootton actually is not diverse, in the ways that MCPS measures diversity. Of course these are not the only possible measures of diversity. But they are a good first step.

I think it is very narrow, parochial first step. We are all citizens of the world -- and that world is 60% Asian. So, yes Wootton lacks diversity because its Asian population is too small (40% rather than 60%), but it is still the largest of any high school in the county.

And, yes while it is great to have Hispanic kids whose families are from Central and South America, it is also great to have kids whose families are from Iran, Serbia, Ethiopia, Vietnam, and Sri Lanka (to name the home countries of some classmates of my daughter at a Churchill cluster elementary school)

And back to the OPs question, Churchill and Wooton may not be diverse in ways that matter to MCPS bean counters, but they are diverse in ways that should matter to a parent.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what you are saying is that the school population does not mirror the US population? This is different than saying the school is not diverse.

But Wootton actually is not diverse, in the ways that MCPS measures diversity. Of course these are not the only possible measures of diversity. But they are a good first step.

I think it is very narrow, parochial first step. We are all citizens of the world -- and that world is 60% Asian. So, yes Wootton lacks diversity because its Asian population is too small (40% rather than 60%), but it is still the largest of any high school in the county.

And, yes while it is great to have Hispanic kids whose families are from Central and South America, it is also great to have kids whose families are from Iran, Serbia, Ethiopia, Vietnam, and Sri Lanka (to name the home countries of some classmates of my daughter at a Churchill cluster elementary school)

And back to the OPs question, Churchill and Wooton may not be diverse in ways that matter to MCPS bean counters, but they are diverse in ways that should matter to a parent.

I'm a parent, and I don't consider either of those schools diverse in the way that it matters to me, as a parent.

We are not talking about the world population. We are talking about MCPS population. A handful of Black and Latino kids is not diverse. Diverse doesn't mean just what country you are from. It has to do with the color of your skin and, in MCPS case, your SES. For example, an all white school that is mostly made of kids from all over Europe is not considered to be diverse in the way it is used in the US.

You can define "diversity" how you want it, but it won't mean the same when speaking to the general population, and certainly, not on DCUM.

Well...the handful of black and latino kids attending Churchill or Wootton are going to have more in common with their school counterparts---their life experiences, opportunities, parental values, etc will be more in line with the surrounding community. They would not have similar life experiences as a black or Hispanic student attending say Kennedy. So yes, while their skin color defines them as "diverse"--they really aren't.

You diversity police sure know how to tie yourself up in knots. I'm guessing you aren't aware of the Scotland community zoned for Churchill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with white people? Why is it bad to be with white people?

Did anyone say it was bad? OP stated that they wanted a bit of diversity. Wootton and Churchill doesn't have much of it. That's all.

There is diversity-- just not a lot of Low income AA and Hispanic. But lots of diverse Asians and Middle Eastern cultures. If diverse means only AA and Hispansic then, No, Potomac is not diverse. But if diverse means a broad range of cultures from all continents, then yes, Potomac is diverse.

Then no, Potomac is not diverse. As you said, the continents of Africa and South America are not represented, nor is North America south of the US border, nor is a significant part of the US. There is more to the world than the white US, Europe, and Asia.

(There is also Australia and New Zealand, but I have no idea how many Australians or New Zealanders live in Potomac, plus there are only 23 million Australians and 4 million New Zealanders.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You diversity police sure know how to tie yourself up in knots. I'm guessing you aren't aware of the Scotland community zoned for Churchill.

How well are the kids from Scotland integrated into Churchill? I'm asking sincerely.

Also, the only reason that kids from Scotland go to Churchill is because Scotland was there long before suburban Potomac. If suburban Potomac had been built first, it would not include any high-poverty communities. And actually suburban Potomac did what it could to displace the residents of Scotland, only the residents of Scotland refused to be removed.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2008/04/black_and_white_in_potomacs_pl.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/13/AR2007011301255.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/05/AR2007010500676.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061700588.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I'm sorry. I didn't know there were official rules about how the word 'diverse' was to be used on DCUM. I was using the Miriam-Webster definition
"including representatives from more than one social, cultural, or economic group, especially members of ethnic or religious minority groups"

A school with kids from all over Europe would be wonderfully diverse -- Bosnian Muslims, Irish Catholics, and Anglo-Indians mixing with Portuguese and Swedes. So many different languages, cuisines, sports, music. I want my kids to learn that Montgomery County is not the world, and that "the American way" may not be shared by the rest of the world. Of course, I would much prefer that the school also included the Asian cultures that dominate the world.

On the other hand, I would find a school that was one-third white, one-third Latino, and one-third black Americans to not nearly as diverse.

Could you please describe the diverse economic groups represented at Churchill and Wootton?

Also, the world includes more than Europe and "the Asian cultures".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You diversity police sure know how to tie yourself up in knots. I'm guessing you aren't aware of the Scotland community zoned for Churchill.

How well are the kids from Scotland integrated into Churchill? I'm asking sincerely.

Also, the only reason that kids from Scotland go to Churchill is because Scotland was there long before suburban Potomac. If suburban Potomac had been built first, it would not include any high-poverty communities. And actually suburban Potomac did what it could to displace the residents of Scotland, only the residents of Scotland refused to be removed.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2008/04/black_and_white_in_potomacs_pl.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/13/AR2007011301255.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/05/AR2007010500676.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/17/AR2005061700588.html

A while ago, there was an incident involving some black students. The Principal at Churchill apparently told the non-black parents not to worry because it was black on black violence. So, apparently, they are not that well integrated.

And to the poster that insists these schools are diverse, you are so funny in your persistence that those are considered diverse schools.