SN child with no IEP suspension

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also your post doesn't make a lot of sense. You're saying this not an SN child so how would she get an IEP or a behavioral placement? That's for special needs kids.
But the OP said the teacher does not want the kid to get an IEP. The teacher wants the kid, who is probably 7, expelled.

No, I'm saying that this child does not have an IEP, but even if the child did have an IEP, it's not acceptable to hit a teacher. PERIOD. No matter what. And no, I'm not a teacher. Is there something about that which doesn't make sense?

[Anonymous]

And let me also add that everything else dressing up this post...the teachers are trying to get the kid expelled...they don't want to work hard...they don't want an IEP...is just hearsay and Whisper Down The Lane. It's all third hand supposition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, no child should hit a teacher. Whether the child has special needs or not. I would be aghast if my special needs child hit a teacher. Special needs is not a "get out of jail free" card. It does not absolve bad behavior. It does not relieve a child of consequences for outrageous behavior. It may explain that behavior, but it does not in any way mean that a child gets to hit a teacher and remain in the classroom. Are you kidding me?

What does a week long suspension on a 1st graders record DO for him? Does it help him to recognize he's misbehaved and needs to correct himself? No. What is the purpose of this? For a special needs child who doesn't understand or is having a hard time controlling his behavior, a week long suspension is not the answer.

It may even be counter productive. If a child doesn't like being at school, and hitting the teacher means he gets to leave school, then.... I think its a bad decision to ever suspend kids from school. It is not evidence-based.

[Anonymous]

exactly. it's well documented that suspensions often reinforce this kind of behavior. maybe that's what the school wants so they can have an excuse to get rid of her

[Anonymous]

The whole thing is third-hand. How do we know the kid even hit to teacher? Maybe she's just a difficult, oppositional kid and the teacher wants to make up excuses to get rid of her. I've seen schools make up stuff after the fact to justify their own inadequate, indifferent and illegal actions. I think you should reread your comments PP. Why do you believe whatever makes the child look poorly behaved but not whatever makes the teacher appear poorly behaved?

You sound like one of those people who judge others and says oh my child is SN but she's not badly behaved like those other no good children. Not every SN child behaves like this, but those who do also deserve our sympathy and our support.

Anonymous wrote:And let me also add that everything else dressing up this post...the teachers are trying to get the kid expelled...they don't want to work hard...they don't want an IEP...is just hearsay and Whisper Down The Lane. It's all third hand supposition.

[Anonymous]

If her story is true, OP, then your "friend" is an atrocious teacher and you should be reporting the behavior to someone above the principal.

[Anonymous]

I am the OP and I'm in a terrible situation. I'm conflicted. I can tell the teacher/"friend" feels uncomfortable. When it came out of her mouth, I could tell she regretted saying it immediately. However, I feel compelled to do something for this child.

This child needs an IEP for protection. I will try to reason with this "friend" to encourage her to do the right thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is third-hand. How do we know the kid even hit to teacher? Maybe she's just a difficult, oppositional kid and the teacher wants to make up excuses to get rid of her. I've seen schools make up stuff after the fact to justify their own inadequate, indifferent and illegal actions. I think you should reread your comments PP. Why do you believe whatever makes the child look poorly behaved but not whatever makes the teacher appear poorly behaved?

You sound like one of those people who judge others and says oh my child is SN but she's not badly behaved like those other no good children. Not every SN child behaves like this, but those who do also deserve our sympathy and our support.

Anonymous wrote:And let me also add that everything else dressing up this post...the teachers are trying to get the kid expelled...they don't want to work hard...they don't want an IEP...is just hearsay and Whisper Down The Lane. It's all third hand supposition.

Let me understand what you are saying. Not all special needs children hit their teachers a couple of times, but those who do deserve our sympathy and support? Is that it? And no, my child is not some special perfect snowflake. I just don't understand this rush to circle the wagons and protest this mythical child that you have dreamed up that needs protection from this boogieman teacher. Project much?

[Anonymous]

Because OP many of us could imagine this child being our child or or friend's child if we the parents had grown up less educated and weren't such darn good advocates for our child. Did you know that most of the kids in this situation and I mean getting suspended without an IEP even though they appear to be special needs are minority and economically disadvantaged?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is third-hand. How do we know the kid even hit to teacher? Maybe she's just a difficult, oppositional kid and the teacher wants to make up excuses to get rid of her. I've seen schools make up stuff after the fact to justify their own inadequate, indifferent and illegal actions. I think you should reread your comments PP. Why do you believe whatever makes the child look poorly behaved but not whatever makes the teacher appear poorly behaved?

You sound like one of those people who judge others and says oh my child is SN but she's not badly behaved like those other no good children. Not every SN child behaves like this, but those who do also deserve our sympathy and our support.

Anonymous wrote:And let me also add that everything else dressing up this post...the teachers are trying to get the kid expelled...they don't want to work hard...they don't want an IEP...is just hearsay and Whisper Down The Lane. It's all third hand supposition.

Let me understand what you are saying. Not all special needs children hit their teachers a couple of times, but those who do deserve our sympathy and support? Is that it? And no, my child is not some special perfect snowflake. I just don't understand this rush to circle the wagons and protest this mythical child that you have dreamed up that needs protection from this boogieman teacher. Project much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because OP many of us could imagine this child being our child or or friend's child if we the parents had grown up less educated and weren't such darn good advocates for our child. Did you know that most of the kids in this situation and I mean getting suspended without an IEP even though they appear to be special needs are minority and economically disadvantaged?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is third-hand. How do we know the kid even hit to teacher? Maybe she's just a difficult, oppositional kid and the teacher wants to make up excuses to get rid of her. I've seen schools make up stuff after the fact to justify their own inadequate, indifferent and illegal actions. I think you should reread your comments PP. Why do you believe whatever makes the child look poorly behaved but not whatever makes the teacher appear poorly behaved?

You sound like one of those people who judge others and says oh my child is SN but she's not badly behaved like those other no good children. Not every SN child behaves like this, but those who do also deserve our sympathy and our support.

Anonymous wrote:And let me also add that everything else dressing up this post...the teachers are trying to get the kid expelled...they don't want to work hard...they don't want an IEP...is just hearsay and Whisper Down The Lane. It's all third hand supposition.

Let me understand what you are saying. Not all special needs children hit their teachers a couple of times, but those who do deserve our sympathy and support? Is that it? And no, my child is not some special perfect snowflake. I just don't understand this rush to circle the wagons and protest this mythical child that you have dreamed up that needs protection from this boogieman teacher. Project much?

We are now dealing with total supposition in this thread....the child may be special needs. The child may be a minority. The child may be economically disadvantaged. Perhaps the child did not even hit the teacher; that was made up.

What is real here? What is OP's actual post? Is there something that we are talking about?

[Anonymous]

you sound like a horrible person defending this teacher. you know that right?

Anonymous wrote:

Let me understand what you are saying. Not all special needs children hit their teachers a couple of times, but those who do deserve our sympathy and support? Is that it? And no, my child is not some special perfect snowflake. I just don't understand this rush to circle the wagons and protest this mythical child that you have dreamed up that needs protection from this boogieman teacher. Project much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:you sound like a horrible person defending this teacher. you know that right?

Anonymous wrote:

Let me understand what you are saying. Not all special needs children hit their teachers a couple of times, but those who do deserve our sympathy and support? Is that it? And no, my child is not some special perfect snowflake. I just don't understand this rush to circle the wagons and protest this mythical child that you have dreamed up that needs protection from this boogieman teacher. Project much?

Didnt you get the memo? The whole school district, the therapists, the doctors and all of society is out to get the poor SN kid who has never been a nuciance, a disruption, bad child etc and his poor overworked mother who only wants $100,000 a year so the child can be properly coddled at the special school

[Anonymous]

Telling someone that they are a horrible person is not a way to win a debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the OP and I'm in a terrible situation. I'm conflicted. I can tell the teacher/"friend" feels uncomfortable. When it came out of her mouth, I could tell she regretted saying it immediately. However, I feel compelled to do something for this child.

This child needs an IEP for protection. I will try to reason with this "friend" to encourage her to do the right thing.

MYOB. You are having a gut reaction to a thoughtless comment. You have no idea what the situation actually is and never will due to privacy issues. There is nothing you can do for this child, and you may make things worse by trying to intervene in a situation you know nothing about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, no child should hit a teacher. Whether the child has special needs or not. I would be aghast if my special needs child hit a teacher. Special needs is not a "get out of jail free" card. It does not absolve bad behavior. It does not relieve a child of consequences for outrageous behavior. It may explain that behavior, but it does not in any way mean that a child gets to hit a teacher and remain in the classroom. Are you kidding me?

What does a week long suspension on a 1st graders record DO for him? Does it help him to recognize he's misbehaved and needs to correct himself? No. What is the purpose of this? For a special needs child who doesn't understand or is having a hard time controlling his behavior, a week long suspension is not the answer.

The week long suspension punishes mom and dad. The week long suspension wreaks havoc on a parent's ability to go to work, maintain a job and carry health insurance. Without an assessment and proper plan in place, one week out of school is the beginning of a slide down a slippery slope.