Here is what Charter leaders think of your neighborhood schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IF you can guarantee a spot for my 3 kids at the Charter 4 blocks away from my house I'm all for it, but that can't be done.


I don't feel like parents should be forced to do a long commute just for a Charter School.

Are they suggesting neighborhood preference for Charters? I think they axed that during the DME process.

No one is 'forced' to do a long commute for a charter. Just like no one is 'forced' to attend their neighborhood school. Having a choice isn't the same as having a convenient choice.

Separately the idea of a neighborhood preference for charters predates the DME process of last year. Just because it lost there doesn't mean its proponents won't try to resurrect it. And many charter folks will continue to oppose it.

NP. I think you are incorrect. If charters take over DCPS as they desire, there are no in-bound schools. Charters are lottery based and you get what you get in the lottery. A parent could choose the twelve closest schools to their home and still end up without a clear match.

I think we disagree on the desire of charters leaders. Nothing from anyone in DC indicates they want to take over all schools in DC. The musings of a conservative think tanker don't prove it. Perhaps a couple harbor such ambitions but they are not a unified group. Most are people who saw a way to help some kids and try to see if some new approaches would get better results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IF you can guarantee a spot for my 3 kids at the Charter 4 blocks away from my house I'm all for it, but that can't be done.


I don't feel like parents should be forced to do a long commute just for a Charter School.

Are they suggesting neighborhood preference for Charters? I think they axed that during the DME process.

No one is 'forced' to do a long commute for a charter. Just like no one is 'forced' to attend their neighborhood school. Having a choice isn't the same as having a convenient choice.

Separately the idea of a neighborhood preference for charters predates the DME process of last year. Just because it lost there doesn't mean its proponents won't try to resurrect it. And many charter folks will continue to oppose it.

NP. I think you are incorrect. If charters take over DCPS as they desire, there are no in-bound schools. Charters are lottery based and you get what you get in the lottery. A parent could choose the twelve closest schools to their home and still end up without a clear match.

I think we disagree on the desire of charters leaders. Nothing from anyone in DC indicates they want to take over all schools in DC. The musings of a conservative think tanker don't prove it. Perhaps a couple harbor such ambitions but they are not a unified group. Most are people who saw a way to help some kids and try to see if some new approaches would get better results.

So you say, but one of the DME options was city wide lotteries for all HSs, so the idea of abolishing neighborhood schools, at least at HS level if not below, had enough support among education reformers for it to be put forward as a contender in the boundary review process. This shocked many of us who support neighborhood schools, and it brought a lot of people to the process, which was perhaps part of the intention. I am not painting all charter school supporters with the same brush, and I realize that this think tank guy was speaking out of turn, but you cannot deny that there are many in the charter movement that would like to see broader access via lottery, to counteract the effects of housing segregation. I understand the motivation, but this is anathema to me and to many DCPS parents, and I was pleased to see the overwhelming support for neighborhood schools, not just among JKLM parents but also Wards 7, 8, and across the city.

[Anonymous]

Bogus post with insufficient evidence of what "DC" wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bogus post with insufficient evidence of what "DC" wants.

To which post do you refer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IF you can guarantee a spot for my 3 kids at the Charter 4 blocks away from my house I'm all for it, but that can't be done.


I don't feel like parents should be forced to do a long commute just for a Charter School.

Are they suggesting neighborhood preference for Charters? I think they axed that during the DME process.

No one is 'forced' to do a long commute for a charter. Just like no one is 'forced' to attend their neighborhood school. Having a choice isn't the same as having a convenient choice.

Separately the idea of a neighborhood preference for charters predates the DME process of last year. Just because it lost there doesn't mean its proponents won't try to resurrect it. And many charter folks will continue to oppose it.

NP. I think you are incorrect. If charters take over DCPS as they desire, there are no in-bound schools. Charters are lottery based and you get what you get in the lottery. A parent could choose the twelve closest schools to their home and still end up without a clear match.

I think we disagree on the desire of charters leaders. Nothing from anyone in DC indicates they want to take over all schools in DC. The musings of a conservative think tanker don't prove it. Perhaps a couple harbor such ambitions but they are not a unified group. Most are people who saw a way to help some kids and try to see if some new approaches would get better results.

Look, my kid is in a charter. I think one can support both charters and neighborhood schools. I do think there are some charter leaders and supporters who will not stop until the entire city is lottery only. Their problem is getting around the Ward 3 parents with just as much influence and money to fight for their schools. Also, the charter movement was bery successful in turning all of New Orleans public education into charter. That has not worked out too well for most of the poorest students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IF you can guarantee a spot for my 3 kids at the Charter 4 blocks away from my house I'm all for it, but that can't be done.


I don't feel like parents should be forced to do a long commute just for a Charter School.

Are they suggesting neighborhood preference for Charters? I think they axed that during the DME process.

No one is 'forced' to do a long commute for a charter. Just like no one is 'forced' to attend their neighborhood school. Having a choice isn't the same as having a convenient choice.

Separately the idea of a neighborhood preference for charters predates the DME process of last year. Just because it lost there doesn't mean its proponents won't try to resurrect it. And many charter folks will continue to oppose it.

NP. I think you are incorrect. If charters take over DCPS as they desire, there are no in-bound schools. Charters are lottery based and you get what you get in the lottery. A parent could choose the twelve closest schools to their home and still end up without a clear match.

I think we disagree on the desire of charters leaders. Nothing from anyone in DC indicates they want to take over all schools in DC. The musings of a conservative think tanker don't prove it. Perhaps a couple harbor such ambitions but they are not a unified group. Most are people who saw a way to help some kids and try to see if some new approaches would get better results.

Look, my kid is in a charter. I think one can support both charters and neighborhood schools. I do think there are some charter leaders and supporters who will not stop until the entire city is lottery only. Their problem is getting around the Ward 3 parents with just as much influence and money to fight for their schools. Also, the charter movement was bery successful in turning all of New Orleans public education into charter. That has not worked out too well for most of the poorest students.

It is a common misconception that only Ward 3 or JKLM support neighborhood schools. Actually, there is broad support across all wards, including EOTR.

[Anonymous]

If my neighborhood school could guarantee us the same academic experience that my charter offers, great.

But, they can't, and I see zero indication that they ever intend to.

So my support remains behind my charter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IF you can guarantee a spot for my 3 kids at the Charter 4 blocks away from my house I'm all for it, but that can't be done.


I don't feel like parents should be forced to do a long commute just for a Charter School.

Are they suggesting neighborhood preference for Charters? I think they axed that during the DME process.

No one is 'forced' to do a long commute for a charter. Just like no one is 'forced' to attend their neighborhood school. Having a choice isn't the same as having a convenient choice.

Separately the idea of a neighborhood preference for charters predates the DME process of last year. Just because it lost there doesn't mean its proponents won't try to resurrect it. And many charter folks will continue to oppose it.

NP. I think you are incorrect. If charters take over DCPS as they desire, there are no in-bound schools. Charters are lottery based and you get what you get in the lottery. A parent could choose the twelve closest schools to their home and still end up without a clear match.

I think we disagree on the desire of charters leaders. Nothing from anyone in DC indicates they want to take over all schools in DC. The musings of a conservative think tanker don't prove it. Perhaps a couple harbor such ambitions but they are not a unified group. Most are people who saw a way to help some kids and try to see if some new approaches would get better results.

So you say, but one of the DME options was city wide lotteries for all HSs, so the idea of abolishing neighborhood schools, at least at HS level if not below, had enough support among education reformers for it to be put forward as a contender in the boundary review process. This shocked many of us who support neighborhood schools, and it brought a lot of people to the process, which was perhaps part of the intention. I am not painting all charter school supporters with the same brush, and I realize that this think tank guy was speaking out of turn, but you cannot deny that there are many in the charter movement that would like to see broader access via lottery, to counteract the effects of housing segregation. I understand the motivation, but this is anathema to me and to many DCPS parents, and I was pleased to see the overwhelming support for neighborhood schools, not just among JKLM parents but also Wards 7, 8, and across the city.

And that option was immediately thrown out as non-viable. Stop stiring the pot with non-facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IF you can guarantee a spot for my 3 kids at the Charter 4 blocks away from my house I'm all for it, but that can't be done.


I don't feel like parents should be forced to do a long commute just for a Charter School.

Are they suggesting neighborhood preference for Charters? I think they axed that during the DME process.

No one is 'forced' to do a long commute for a charter. Just like no one is 'forced' to attend their neighborhood school. Having a choice isn't the same as having a convenient choice.

Separately the idea of a neighborhood preference for charters predates the DME process of last year. Just because it lost there doesn't mean its proponents won't try to resurrect it. And many charter folks will continue to oppose it.

NP. I think you are incorrect. If charters take over DCPS as they desire, there are no in-bound schools. Charters are lottery based and you get what you get in the lottery. A parent could choose the twelve closest schools to their home and still end up without a clear match.

I think we disagree on the desire of charters leaders. Nothing from anyone in DC indicates they want to take over all schools in DC. The musings of a conservative think tanker don't prove it. Perhaps a couple harbor such ambitions but they are not a unified group. Most are people who saw a way to help some kids and try to see if some new approaches would get better results.

Look, my kid is in a charter. I think one can support both charters and neighborhood schools. I do think there are some charter leaders and supporters who will not stop until the entire city is lottery only. Their problem is getting around the Ward 3 parents with just as much influence and money to fight for their schools. Also, the charter movement was bery successful in turning all of New Orleans public education into charter. That has not worked out too well for most of the poorest students.

It is a common misconception that only Ward 3 or JKLM support neighborhood schools. Actually, there is broad support across all wards, including EOTR.

You mean, some people support neighborhood schools just like some people support charters. And *gasp* some people support a balance of both. We are called moderate. Just like there are crazies are both sides, most of us are normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bogus post with insufficient evidence of what "DC" wants.

To which post do you refer?

I meant thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IF you can guarantee a spot for my 3 kids at the Charter 4 blocks away from my house I'm all for it, but that can't be done.


I don't feel like parents should be forced to do a long commute just for a Charter School.

Are they suggesting neighborhood preference for Charters? I think they axed that during the DME process.

No one is 'forced' to do a long commute for a charter. Just like no one is 'forced' to attend their neighborhood school. Having a choice isn't the same as having a convenient choice.

Separately the idea of a neighborhood preference for charters predates the DME process of last year. Just because it lost there doesn't mean its proponents won't try to resurrect it. And many charter folks will continue to oppose it.

NP. I think you are incorrect. If charters take over DCPS as they desire, there are no in-bound schools. Charters are lottery based and you get what you get in the lottery. A parent could choose the twelve closest schools to their home and still end up without a clear match.

I think we disagree on the desire of charters leaders. Nothing from anyone in DC indicates they want to take over all schools in DC. The musings of a conservative think tanker don't prove it. Perhaps a couple harbor such ambitions but they are not a unified group. Most are people who saw a way to help some kids and try to see if some new approaches would get better results.

So you say, but one of the DME options was city wide lotteries for all HSs, so the idea of abolishing neighborhood schools, at least at HS level if not below, had enough support among education reformers for it to be put forward as a contender in the boundary review process. This shocked many of us who support neighborhood schools, and it brought a lot of people to the process, which was perhaps part of the intention. I am not painting all charter school supporters with the same brush, and I realize that this think tank guy was speaking out of turn, but you cannot deny that there are many in the charter movement that would like to see broader access via lottery, to counteract the effects of housing segregation. I understand the motivation, but this is anathema to me and to many DCPS parents, and I was pleased to see the overwhelming support for neighborhood schools, not just among JKLM parents but also Wards 7, 8, and across the city.

And that option was immediately thrown out as non-viable. Stop stiring the pot with non-facts.

No, not immediately. Only after the first round of parent feedback in which the all-lottery option received very little support. I am not stirring the pot. I am saying that:

1) there is or was enough support among school reformers for citywide lotteries (whether charter or DCPS) that this was put forward by DME and her staff as a serious contender in the recent boundary review; and

2) parent feedback revealed that there is very little parent support for this, in any ward. The wards most strongly against citywide lotteries were wards 3, 7 and 8. IIRC there was not a single ward that supported it, but please correct me if I am wrong. I think it was a closer "vote" in ward 1 for example? I remember seeing the feedback tallies at the DME community meetings but I didn't make a note of them or anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IF you can guarantee a spot for my 3 kids at the Charter 4 blocks away from my house I'm all for it, but that can't be done.


I don't feel like parents should be forced to do a long commute just for a Charter School.

Are they suggesting neighborhood preference for Charters? I think they axed that during the DME process.

No one is 'forced' to do a long commute for a charter. Just like no one is 'forced' to attend their neighborhood school. Having a choice isn't the same as having a convenient choice.

Separately the idea of a neighborhood preference for charters predates the DME process of last year. Just because it lost there doesn't mean its proponents won't try to resurrect it. And many charter folks will continue to oppose it.

NP. I think you are incorrect. If charters take over DCPS as they desire, there are no in-bound schools. Charters are lottery based and you get what you get in the lottery. A parent could choose the twelve closest schools to their home and still end up without a clear match.

I think we disagree on the desire of charters leaders. Nothing from anyone in DC indicates they want to take over all schools in DC. The musings of a conservative think tanker don't prove it. Perhaps a couple harbor such ambitions but they are not a unified group. Most are people who saw a way to help some kids and try to see if some new approaches would get better results.

Look, my kid is in a charter. I think one can support both charters and neighborhood schools. I do think there are some charter leaders and supporters who will not stop until the entire city is lottery only. Their problem is getting around the Ward 3 parents with just as much influence and money to fight for their schools. Also, the charter movement was bery successful in turning all of New Orleans public education into charter. That has not worked out too well for most of the poorest students.

It is a common misconception that only Ward 3 or JKLM support neighborhood schools. Actually, there is broad support across all wards, including EOTR.

You mean, some people support neighborhood schools just like some people support charters. And *gasp* some people support a balance of both. We are called moderate. Just like there are crazies are both sides, most of us are normal.

Yes but my point was that we have some survey data on this. Imperfect because it's a self-selected group, those people who provided feedback in the DME process. But among those people, the feedback as tallied was overwhelmingly against the idea of citywide lotteries, and although Ward 3 was strongly against them, parents across the city were against them. The overall tally for all wards clearly demonstrated rejection of citywide lotteries for DCPS high schools. And lotteries for elementary were not even proposed, presumably in part because DME staff knew this would be a non-starter politically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IF you can guarantee a spot for my 3 kids at the Charter 4 blocks away from my house I'm all for it, but that can't be done.


I don't feel like parents should be forced to do a long commute just for a Charter School.

Are they suggesting neighborhood preference for Charters? I think they axed that during the DME process.

No one is 'forced' to do a long commute for a charter. Just like no one is 'forced' to attend their neighborhood school. Having a choice isn't the same as having a convenient choice.

Separately the idea of a neighborhood preference for charters predates the DME process of last year. Just because it lost there doesn't mean its proponents won't try to resurrect it. And many charter folks will continue to oppose it.

NP. I think you are incorrect. If charters take over DCPS as they desire, there are no in-bound schools. Charters are lottery based and you get what you get in the lottery. A parent could choose the twelve closest schools to their home and still end up without a clear match.

I think we disagree on the desire of charters leaders. Nothing from anyone in DC indicates they want to take over all schools in DC. The musings of a conservative think tanker don't prove it. Perhaps a couple harbor such ambitions but they are not a unified group. Most are people who saw a way to help some kids and try to see if some new approaches would get better results.

Look, my kid is in a charter. I think one can support both charters and neighborhood schools. I do think there are some charter leaders and supporters who will not stop until the entire city is lottery only. Their problem is getting around the Ward 3 parents with just as much influence and money to fight for their schools. Also, the charter movement was bery successful in turning all of New Orleans public education into charter. That has not worked out too well for most of the poorest students.

It is a common misconception that only Ward 3 or JKLM support neighborhood schools. Actually, there is broad support across all wards, including EOTR.

You mean, some people support neighborhood schools just like some people support charters. And *gasp* some people support a balance of both. We are called moderate. Just like there are crazies are both sides, most of us are normal.

Yes but my point was that we have some survey data on this. Imperfect because it's a self-selected group, those people who provided feedback in the DME process. But among those people, the feedback as tallied was overwhelmingly against the idea of citywide lotteries, and although Ward 3 was strongly against them, parents across the city were against them. The overall tally for all wards clearly demonstrated rejection of citywide lotteries for DCPS high schools. And lotteries for elementary were not even proposed, presumably in part because DME staff knew this would be a non-starter politically.

+100

[Anonymous]

This ongoing argument makes me sick, and makes me want to flee to private school

[Anonymous]

This will NEVER happen. Carry on.