define shitlaw?

[Anonymous]

god, collections attorney are low-life human beings. that has to be the worst practice area by far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think PP sounds awful except for the client comment. Perhaps redrafting to say that "clients who think you can help them get away with something illegal" may be the right characterization. Luckily don't have clients like this but know a few colleagues that have been pressured by clients to do things that are wrong and just find the conversations exhausting as they repeatedly tell them no.

But isn't Biglaw, "clients who think you can help them get away with something unethical?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shitlaw could also be contact work.

This is how I usually hear the term--contract work, temp work, outsourced document review...the most boring parts of legal practice, with poor pay, few or no benefits, and constant uncertainty.

Also, things like collections or foreclosures--that's just miserable work.

As to insurance defense, I knew a woman who did that who really liked it. She had an in-house position at State Farm or somewhere--if you like litigation, you might like it. She said a fairly high percentage of her cases went to trial. And some people like working for small firms, etc. Not all non-prestigious jobs are shitlaw. I think of jobs with poor working conditions and low pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think PP sounds awful except for the client comment. Perhaps redrafting to say that "clients who think you can help them get away with something illegal" may be the right characterization. Luckily don't have clients like this but know a few colleagues that have been pressured by clients to do things that are wrong and just find the conversations exhausting as they repeatedly tell them no.

But isn't Biglaw, "clients who think you can help them get away with something unethical?"

Yeah, I had a friend leave Biglaw because he hated the clients. Like Disney trying to sue a local cable access show for some bs reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think PP sounds awful except for the client comment. Perhaps redrafting to say that "clients who think you can help them get away with something illegal" may be the right characterization. Luckily don't have clients like this but know a few colleagues that have been pressured by clients to do things that are wrong and just find the conversations exhausting as they repeatedly tell them no.

But isn't Biglaw, "clients who think you can help them get away with something unethical?"

Unethical by normal people's standards perhaps, but not in violation of a lawyer's ethical duties. Small law clients are often up against the wall in a way that big law clients aren't and some small law clients will pressure lawyers to do things that violate the lawyer's ethical duties like lying to the court for example.

[Anonymous]

I once had a job in shitlaw (criminal defense). I was a few months in after passing the bar, and before my first trial my boss made me smoke a joint laced with PCP on the way into court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I once had a job in shitlaw (criminal defense). I was a few months in after passing the bar, and before my first trial my boss made me smoke a joint laced with PCP on the way into court.

Ummm... do tell more. How does one force another person to smoke hard drugs on the way to court?

[Anonymous]

I did it under duress. He said it was an initiation thing. Wanted to see if I was "the real deal" or not. We won the trial, by the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did it under duress. He said it was an initiation thing. Wanted to see if I was "the real deal" or not. We won the trial, by the way.

Were you played by Ethan Hawke in the movie? Was your boss Denzel Washington?