KLMMORS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LMFAO

!!! Winner, winner!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue with the groups, sad to say, is that the higher the IB the better performing the school is. The higher the OOB to IB ratio, the lower ranking the school appears.

With a lot of exceptions. EHHS have a lot of OOB and still have great performance.

But measurably below the JKLM tier.

What is this JKLM tier you speak of?

Seriously though, what measurements are you using? Only test scores? Not taking into account FARM, IB status (Shepherd), or other measures of what many consider a great school? One cannot say that Janney or Mann is the best school because the demographics are apples to oranges. If 99% of the students comes from a family with $250k+ HHI and master degrees that doesn't mean that my student that also comes from family of $250k+ and phd that attends Hearst won't get the same education and arguably a better experience to be surrounded by more diversity.

[Anonymous]

*meant higher ed degrees, not just master

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The issue with the groups, sad to say, is that the higher the IB the better performing the school is. The higher the OOB to IB ratio, the lower ranking the school appears.[/quote]

With a lot of exceptions. EHHS have a lot of OOB and still have great performance. [/quote]

But measurably below the JKLM tier.[/quote]

What is this JKLM tier you speak of?

Seriously though, what measurements are you using? Only test scores? Not taking into account FARM, IB status (Shepherd), or other measures of what many consider a great school? One cannot say that Janney or Mann is the best school because the demographics are apples to oranges. If 99% of the students comes from a family with $250k+ HHI and master degrees that doesn't mean that my student that also comes from family of $250k+ and phd that attends Hearst won't get the same education and arguably a better experience to be surrounded by more diversity. [/quote]

If you don't mind your child's education is held back or disrupted by the fact that a large percentage of his or her classmates are below grade level and a number bring discipline issues to school everyday, then hey, go for it.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The issue with the groups, sad to say, is that the higher the IB the better performing the school is. The higher the OOB to IB ratio, the lower ranking the school appears.[/quote]

With a lot of exceptions. EHHS have a lot of OOB and still have great performance. [/quote]

But measurably below the JKLM tier.[/quote]

What is this JKLM tier you speak of?

Seriously though, what measurements are you using? Only test scores? Not taking into account FARM, IB status (Shepherd), or other measures of what many consider a great school? One cannot say that Janney or Mann is the best school because the demographics are apples to oranges. If 99% of the students comes from a family with $250k+ HHI and master degrees that doesn't mean that my student that also comes from family of $250k+ and phd that attends Hearst won't get the same education and arguably a better experience to be surrounded by more diversity. [/quote]

If you don't mind your child's education is held back or disrupted by the fact that a large percentage of his or her classmates are below grade level and a number bring discipline issues to school everyday, then hey, go for it.[/quote]

How do you know that there are discipline issues? This is the exact reason people don't want to associate with J anymore. So because Hearst, Eaton, Hyde or Shepherd have more brown kids, that means there are bound to be discipline issues. Got it. Thanks

[Anonymous]

I'm appalled that the PP is automatically equating discipline issues and poor academic performance with "brown kids."

[Anonymous]

What's appalling is the presumption that a school with more OOB has more discipline issues. That was the original assertion. (NP here)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm appalled that the PP is automatically equating discipline issues and poor academic performance with "brown kids."

Let's be real, we know the only demographic differences between Janney and Shepherd are the following:

Shepherd:
79% black
4% white
9% hispanic
8% multi
33% FARM

Janney:
9% black
71% white
9% hispanic
4% asian
7% other
4% FARM

So when PP presumes that a school like Shepherd has "discipline" issues, what exactly do you think she was referring to? The only demographic difference between J&S is that the AA and white % is flipped.

Janney has index score of 94% with only 4% FARM
Shepherd has index score of 76% with 33% FARM

That is telling to me. To me, on paper, both schools seem to be doing a stellar job. I give a little more credit to Shepherd because they have a population of students that Janney does not (FARM).
As for me and my family, S looks better than J for the things we look for in a school. Also, they are IB.

[Anonymous]

No dog in this fight but statistically speaking, the FARM number is a second demographic difference. Statistically speaking, of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight but statistically speaking, the FARM number is a second demographic difference. Statistically speaking, of course.

Pp. Yes meant to expand that clearly PP that said "discipline" issues is referring to brown kids. There's the difference of brown/white and FARM and since DCPS doesn't have any white FARM, it's easy to draw where PP's assumption was saying.

[Anonymous]

What is interesting to me is the idea that it is Janney families that either (1) perpetuate the jklm moniker or (2) try to exclude Murch from the "m."

my guess is it is a Mann booster (note the singular) that tries to push the m is for Mann agenda, who else has time for that?

And I doubt many care about the broader perception, we are not trying to get our kids into the right application middle school so that we can send our kids to the right application high school for the leg up to get into Harvard. I think all Janney families want is a good education and positive experience for their children. Being part of an exclusive 4 letters is not that big a deal and it means even less outside of dcum. There is more incentive to downplay how good the school is, we do not need more kids at the school.

I am sure (and certainly hope) that there are other schools that families are equally happy with. The fact is, once you are in a school and it is working well for your family that is what you know and that is what you speak well of.

I know families well in Arlington, Great Falls, Potomac, Los Altos, CA, etc and they all think their kids school is the best. It is because it is what we know, it is working well, and we have no good means to judge other schools. This is a lake Wobegone phenomenon.

I think my kids' school is great, I don't have an opinion about the rest of the alphabet of schools that generally are performing well because I have no basis for such an opinion. It does not bother me if someone else thinks their school is equally great. I hope it is. Changing the perception of what tier a school is on by attacking schools in the tier you want to be in as someone trying to keep you out is not particularly useful to the discussion.

[Anonymous]

Dear PP J parent,

I have to say your post is very thoughtful and considerate. Unfortunately, you are not the norm of Janney parents. They are overwhelmingly rude and mean. They regularly put down other schools on many posts.

[Anonymous]

^^exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear PP J parent,

I have to say your post is very thoughtful and considerate. Unfortunately, you are not the norm of Janney parents. They are overwhelmingly rude and mean. They regularly put down other schools on many posts.

I'm a Janney parent and I post here semi regularly. In response to your comment - this is an Anonymous message board. How do you know that it is not just a few Janney parents who post a lot that are rude and mean? How do you know they are Janney parents at all? There really is not any way to know it to be fact. I know my school has a bad rep on this board and I think it is unfortunate. But I'm not sure who is perpetuating that stereotype and why they are. For the most part I've found other parents to be nice. FWIW my son is in K and we are new to the school. Anyways, that is my 2 cents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm appalled that the PP is automatically equating discipline issues and poor academic performance with "brown kids."

Let's be real, we know the only demographic differences between Janney and Shepherd are the following:

Shepherd:
79% black
4% white
9% hispanic
8% multi
33% FARM

Janney:
9% black
71% white
9% hispanic
4% asian
7% other
4% FARM

So when PP presumes that a school like Shepherd has "discipline" issues, what exactly do you think she was referring to? The only demographic difference between J&S is that the AA and white % is flipped.

Janney has index score of 94% with only 4% FARM
Shepherd has index score of 76% with 33% FARM

That is telling to me. To me, on paper, both schools seem to be doing a stellar job. I give a little more credit to Shepherd because they have a population of students that Janney does not (FARM).
As for me and my family, S looks better than J for the things we look for in a school. Also, they are IB.

Janney and Shepherd's truancy and suspension rates are virtually identical. Where do in the know posters get their discipline #s from? I get my information from DCPS School Profile. This poster that talks about discipline issues is completely uninformed.