Chris Kyle Muder Trial and Conviction

[Anonymous]

Let's just agree that the culture of gun worship and bad personal decisions related to guns contributes to far too many deaths in this country every single year. We can believe that Kyle made a poor decision without blaming him for someone else's actions and his own death.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

And I am appalled that Chris Kyle, who had no formal psychiatric training, decided to put a gun in the hands of a man he himself characterized as "nuts."

If Routh’s mother had disclosed her son’s real behavior, he would not have.

You really don't know that, and he clearly characterized Routh as insane. He should have removed all weapons from the outing immediately.

And YOU don’t know what Routh’s mother told Kyle about her son. SHE asked him for help. SHE knew what the plans were. SHE should have said something.
The evidence and the testimony were pretty clear. Routh knew what he did was wrong.
You said it yourself - Kyle was NOT a psychiatrist. How many times have you said that someone was “nuts?” It doesn’t mean that person is going to go off the grid and kill someone.

If I were with someone who I thought was nuts, you are nuts if you think I would then put a gun in his hands. That was poor decision making.

By your standards, you must claim that Nancy Lanza was blameless, too.

Oh, please. Your leaps in logic are crazy. Lanza’s mother knew her son’s issues. Just like Routh’s mother knew her son’s issues.
If you wish to start a new thread on Lanza, feel free. This is about the conviction of Kyle’s killer.

Nope. She knew her son had autism. She didn't know he was nuts.

Chris Kyle knew his killer was nuts based on his personal observations but gave him a gun anyway. It is poor decision making. Stop trying to pretend that it was in any way shape or form anything else. Chris Kyle is dead in part because HE decided that he should address someone else's mental health issues, despite his lack of training in that. He then gave his killer a gun.

Did you even read the full investigative report that came out last year about Lanza? It placed the blame squarely on Nancy and Peter Lanza who KNEW for YEARS that their son was withdrawing from society, engaging in delusional fantasies, experiencing mental deterioration, etc. She absolutely DID KNOW he was "nuts" and battled the school systems actively against measures they were attempting to put in place to help him before eventually withdrawing him and allowing him to sit isolated in his room, which is when doctors believe his delusions manifested into the plan to murder the children at the school. It was well and far beyond "he had autism."

She did not know the extent of his problems, and the report made that clear. Was it denial? Probably - but you cannot say that she was consciously aware of his issues when even the report said there was no way to foresee what he would do.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/21/justice/newtown-shooter-adam-lanza-report/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's just agree that the culture of gun worship and bad personal decisions related to guns contributes to far too many deaths in this country every single year. We can believe that Kyle made a poor decision without blaming him for someone else's actions and his own death.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, this appalling bit of vengeful hatred exists now:

https://m.facebook.com/The.Official.Marcus.Luttrell.Fanpage/posts/10152805906558406?__tn__=%2As

Apparently Kyle's military colleagues think prison rape is a funny subject. How charming. Sadly I guess I understand a bit better now how atrocities like Abu Ghraib happened and why suicide and family homicide amongst returning vets is so high. While I can appreciate how traumatic service in the Middle East has been for the past decade plus, I find this kind of thinking frightening and decidedly not heroic. Not to mention ironic...this mob can't see how their zeal for vengeance mirrors whatever inner darkness led Routh to do what he did. Violence begets violence, I guess - and the VA will carry on ignoring the desperately huge need for mental health services.

I agree but it's not just military folks who believe in that kind of vigilante justice. Look at old threads on DCUM; you'll see lots of people who hope that so-and-so gets raped or "what he deserves."

I know that it's not just military members, but I believe in holding them to a higher standard, particularly if they expect to be practically worshipped by the public as demigods. This kind of appalling sentiment is why so many of just cannot muster that level of respect. I respect your courage and sacrifice, but you are mortal men and women, prone to the same ugliness and prejudices as everyone else. You are not some superhuman to be glorified as infallible and impervious to criticism. The author of this FB post is a lauded Navy SEAL, and IMO he has lost all credibility to claim some special level of respect. I get that his friend died, but this is beyond the pale.

You are not holding military men and women to a higher standard, you are holding them to a different standard. There are many many people who think prison should be punishment -- if you and I don't, it doesn't mean that I lose respect for the military or others.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

And I am appalled that Chris Kyle, who had no formal psychiatric training, decided to put a gun in the hands of a man he himself characterized as "nuts."

If Routh’s mother had disclosed her son’s real behavior, he would not have.

You really don't know that, and he clearly characterized Routh as insane. He should have removed all weapons from the outing immediately.

And YOU don’t know what Routh’s mother told Kyle about her son. SHE asked him for help. SHE knew what the plans were. SHE should have said something.
The evidence and the testimony were pretty clear. Routh knew what he did was wrong.
You said it yourself - Kyle was NOT a psychiatrist. How many times have you said that someone was “nuts?” It doesn’t mean that person is going to go off the grid and kill someone.

If I were with someone who I thought was nuts, you are nuts if you think I would then put a gun in his hands. That was poor decision making.

By your standards, you must claim that Nancy Lanza was blameless, too.

Oh, please. Your leaps in logic are crazy. Lanza’s mother knew her son’s issues. Just like Routh’s mother knew her son’s issues.
If you wish to start a new thread on Lanza, feel free. This is about the conviction of Kyle’s killer.

Nope. She knew her son had autism. She didn't know he was nuts.

Chris Kyle knew his killer was nuts based on his personal observations but gave him a gun anyway. It is poor decision making. Stop trying to pretend that it was in any way shape or form anything else. Chris Kyle is dead in part because HE decided that he should address someone else's mental health issues, despite his lack of training in that. He then gave his killer a gun.

Did you even read the full investigative report that came out last year about Lanza? It placed the blame squarely on Nancy and Peter Lanza who KNEW for YEARS that their son was withdrawing from society, engaging in delusional fantasies, experiencing mental deterioration, etc. She absolutely DID KNOW he was "nuts" and battled the school systems actively against measures they were attempting to put in place to help him before eventually withdrawing him and allowing him to sit isolated in his room, which is when doctors believe his delusions manifested into the plan to murder the children at the school. It was well and far beyond "he had autism."

She did not know the extent of his problems, and the report made that clear. Was it denial? Probably - but you cannot say that she was consciously aware of his issues when even the report said there was no way to foresee what he would do.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/21/justice/newtown-shooter-adam-lanza-report/

You can stop now. You've made your point and you are not likely to convince your sparring partner. Drop it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, this appalling bit of vengeful hatred exists now:

https://m.facebook.com/The.Official.Marcus.Luttrell.Fanpage/posts/10152805906558406?__tn__=%2As

Apparently Kyle's military colleagues think prison rape is a funny subject. How charming. Sadly I guess I understand a bit better now how atrocities like Abu Ghraib happened and why suicide and family homicide amongst returning vets is so high. While I can appreciate how traumatic service in the Middle East has been for the past decade plus, I find this kind of thinking frightening and decidedly not heroic. Not to mention ironic...this mob can't see how their zeal for vengeance mirrors whatever inner darkness led Routh to do what he did. Violence begets violence, I guess - and the VA will carry on ignoring the desperately huge need for mental health services.

I agree but it's not just military folks who believe in that kind of vigilante justice. Look at old threads on DCUM; you'll see lots of people who hope that so-and-so gets raped or "what he deserves."

I know that it's not just military members, but I believe in holding them to a higher standard, particularly if they expect to be practically worshipped by the public as demigods. This kind of appalling sentiment is why so many of just cannot muster that level of respect. I respect your courage and sacrifice, but you are mortal men and women, prone to the same ugliness and prejudices as everyone else. You are not some superhuman to be glorified as infallible and impervious to criticism. The author of this FB post is a lauded Navy SEAL, and IMO he has lost all credibility to claim some special level of respect. I get that his friend died, but this is beyond the pale.

You are not holding military men and women to a higher standard, you are holding them to a different standard. There are many many people who think prison should be punishment -- if you and I don't, it doesn't mean that I lose respect for the military or others.

Incarceration - the loss of personal freedom, IS the punishment. I believe that is justice. Rape is not justice, it is not a joke, and the sentiment behind these comments is revolting. If YOU do not see that, I can't help you. Vengeance and justice are not the same thing - perhaps this is a concept that both you and these "heroes" need more training and education to understand.

[Anonymous]

And that's a good reason for Hollywood to treat his widow like crap. Neil Patrick Harris rose above it

I love the talkers here. Go through Ranger or Seal training and get back to me on the mere mortal part.

Have some respect for those that respect you enough to put their lives on the line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And that's a good reason for Hollywood to treat his widow like crap. Neil Patrick Harris rose above it

I love the talkers here. Go through Ranger or Seal training and get back to me on the mere mortal part.

Have some respect for those that respect you enough to put their lives on the line.

I do have respect. It does nit mean they have carte blanche to act in whichever way they choose. They make their careers and reputations on the taxpayer dome and they have a responsibility as a result to uphold our highest values, not the lowest common denominator.

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Anonymous wrote:And that's a good reason for Hollywood to treat his widow like crap. Neil Patrick Harris rose above it

I love the talkers here. Go through Ranger or Seal training and get back to me on the mere mortal part.

Have some respect for those that respect you enough to put their lives on the line.

I do have respect. It does nit mean they have carte blanche to act in whichever way they choose. They make their careers and reputations on the taxpayer dome and they have a responsibility as a result to uphold our highest values, not the lowest common denominator.

I don't think that Luttrel saying that he doesn't think the TCS will treat Kyle's killer so well is acting like the lowest common denominator. If you do, I think you have some living to do.

You mention the taxpayer's dime? Then I assume you don't support illegals taking the taxpayer's dime either, so you are against amnesty, right? And you're against any politician breaking the law because they get paid on the taxpayer dime as well. So this amnesty executive order is out as well. After all, Obama himself said about 20 times that it was illegal.

Or would you like to consider splitting hairs?

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised the jurors who had seen the film were not excluded from participating. That seems prejudicial to me.

[Anonymous]

I see a fucked up situation. Who takes a person with mental illness to a gun range?

They did not help him. They exploited him. WTF!

He needed professional help.

I blame the gov't. You left one of your own without a safety net. Shame on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel for him too, but two people are still dead.

And what about the hundreds of innocent people Kyle has bragged about murdering?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for him too, but two people are still dead.

And what about the hundreds of innocent people Kyle has bragged about murdering?

Innocent? Terrorists are innocent?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for him too, but two people are still dead.

And what about the hundreds of innocent people Kyle has bragged about murdering?

Innocent? Terrorists are innocent?

I'm talking about civilians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And that's a good reason for Hollywood to treat his widow like crap. Neil Patrick Harris rose above it

I love the talkers here. Go through Ranger or Seal training and get back to me on the mere mortal part.

Have some respect for those that respect you enough to put their lives on the line.

Sadly, there are crass, mean-spirited individuals - many in Hollywood - who would denigrate a man who fought for us; who fought for everything we value.

Sad, angry, pathetic people (Michael Moore for example) lied about Chris Kyle; now the truth is out:

http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-navy-records-of-american-sniper-chris-kyle-2015-2

But everyone knows, people like Michael Moore hate America.