Risking kids life custody agreement language.

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Anonymous wrote:As with the snow driving ex my ex makes questionable safety decisions with our child. Think definite blizzard driving or placing toddler in recalled recreational vehicle only 2 examples - there is more. I am powerless to stop this but is there anything I can put in our agreement that if our child is injury or killed in his care he would still have to pay support? I would have it go to a non-profit for child abuse or a legal pro se help office etc... Not to me
But I want him on notice that it is no financial benefit to him if our child is hurt.

You sound like a nasty, vicious bitch.

What blizzard have we had recently? You said "definite blizzard driving." Are you in Canada or something?

Pipe down. Stop being so extreme and strident.

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It's no wonder he wants nothing to do with your crazy ass

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Anonymous wrote:It's one thing to want language inserted into a custody order to protect your child, it is another to want language in a custody order that will make one parent pay the other support after the child dies in an unforeseen accident.

He had one child die in an accidental drowning which must have destroyed both him and his marriage with this other woman, and you are trying to use it against him? Accidental drownings happen all the time, to all kinds of people and it is pretty easy to determine if it was caused by flat out neglect rather than an accident. Obviously since he is not in jail and has unsupervised parenting time with your kid, he was not responsible for his other child's death.

If you really believe he is in danger then you can always try to go to court to modify the order, but based on what you are saying here you have no grounds to modify anything.

He wasn't married. He wasn't paying attention to the toddler . Didn't even notice he got out of the house.

Did you know about the death of the other child before you had a baby with him?

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Why are people attacking the OP? She sounds right to be worried.

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Anonymous wrote:As with the snow driving ex my ex makes questionable safety decisions with our child. Think definite blizzard driving or placing toddler in recalled recreational vehicle only 2 examples - there is more. I am powerless to stop this but is there anything I can put in our agreement that if our child is injury or killed in his care he would still have to pay support? I would have it go to a non-profit for child abuse or a legal pro se help office etc... Not to me
But I want him on notice that it is no financial benefit to him if our child is hurt.

OP, seriously, you need to see a therapist. No, there is no way to write this language into your support agreement. If he is negligent and your child is killed, he could face criminal negligence charges.

If you have examples of serious risk of endangerment, you can call Child Protective Services or petition the court to allow him to have only supervised visitation. But the two examples you cite are not at all at the level of risk that an agency will entertain.

There are more examples. He's already had 1 child. Accidentally die. So again I ask anything?

Do you think he killed the child so he wouldn't have to pay child support? Was he sad that the child died?

Otherwise, I don't see how your reasoning will work. I understand that it must be scary to send your child off for visitation with someone you don't trust, but what you're implying here goes beyond "careless".

Yes. No to the second question. Ambivalent at the death. Still is. But bought a new car not soon after.

NP here. Wait a sec. To be clear, you think he killed the child to avoid paying child support? Because elsewhere you said he didn't even notice the child left the house. That is certainly careless, maybe even reckless depending on the circumstances, but if you're suggesting he intentionally allowed a child to walk into a swimming pool and drown, with the goal of avoiding child support payments, that is a different ballgame. It's a different UNIVERSE. So which is it?

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Anonymous wrote:As with the snow driving ex my ex makes questionable safety decisions with our child. Think definite blizzard driving or placing toddler in recalled recreational vehicle only 2 examples - there is more. I am powerless to stop this but is there anything I can put in our agreement that if our child is injury or killed in his care he would still have to pay support? I would have it go to a non-profit for child abuse or a legal pro se help office etc... Not to me
But I want him on notice that it is no financial benefit to him if our child is hurt.

You sound like a nasty, vicious bitch.

What blizzard have we had recently? You said "definite blizzard driving." Are you in Canada or something?

Pipe down. Stop being so extreme and strident.

Upstate. Why are you surprised people get blizzards in this country?

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Anonymous wrote:As with the snow driving ex my ex makes questionable safety decisions with our child. Think definite blizzard driving or placing toddler in recalled recreational vehicle only 2 examples - there is more. I am powerless to stop this but is there anything I can put in our agreement that if our child is injury or killed in his care he would still have to pay support? I would have it go to a non-profit for child abuse or a legal pro se help office etc... Not to me
But I want him on notice that it is no financial benefit to him if our child is hurt.

OP, seriously, you need to see a therapist. No, there is no way to write this language into your support agreement. If he is negligent and your child is killed, he could face criminal negligence charges.

If you have examples of serious risk of endangerment, you can call Child Protective Services or petition the court to allow him to have only supervised visitation. But the two examples you cite are not at all at the level of risk that an agency will entertain.

There are more examples. He's already had 1 child. Accidentally die. So again I ask anything?

Do you think he killed the child so he wouldn't have to pay child support? Was he sad that the child died?

Otherwise, I don't see how your reasoning will work. I understand that it must be scary to send your child off for visitation with someone you don't trust, but what you're implying here goes beyond "careless".

Yes. No to the second question. Ambivalent at the death. Still is. But bought a new car not soon after.

NP here. Wait a sec. To be clear, you think he killed the child to avoid paying child support? Because elsewhere you said he didn't even notice the child left the house. That is certainly careless, maybe even reckless depending on the circumstances, but if you're suggesting he intentionally allowed a child to walk into a swimming pool and drown, with the goal of avoiding child support payments, that is a different ballgame. It's a different UNIVERSE. So which is it?

Yes. His reckless behavior lead to the death. But he wasn't too concerned. Because it was a burden he no longer had. So not criminally responsible but I am not focused on putting him in jail. I just don't want our child to be next. He got away with an accident once.

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Anonymous wrote:It's one thing to want language inserted into a custody order to protect your child, it is another to want language in a custody order that will make one parent pay the other support after the child dies in an unforeseen accident.

He had one child die in an accidental drowning which must have destroyed both him and his marriage with this other woman, and you are trying to use it against him? Accidental drownings happen all the time, to all kinds of people and it is pretty easy to determine if it was caused by flat out neglect rather than an accident. Obviously since he is not in jail and has unsupervised parenting time with your kid, he was not responsible for his other child's death.

If you really believe he is in danger then you can always try to go to court to modify the order, but based on what you are saying here you have no grounds to modify anything.

He wasn't married. He wasn't paying attention to the toddler . Didn't even notice he got out of the house.

Did you know about the death of the other child before you had a baby with him?

My child was here first.

[Anonymous]

If you are that worried offer no more child support in exchange for full custody, supervised visition until child is older

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Anonymous wrote:As with the snow driving ex my ex makes questionable safety decisions with our child. Think definite blizzard driving or placing toddler in recalled recreational vehicle only 2 examples - there is more. I am powerless to stop this but is there anything I can put in our agreement that if our child is injury or killed in his care he would still have to pay support? I would have it go to a non-profit for child abuse or a legal pro se help office etc... Not to me
But I want him on notice that it is no financial benefit to him if our child is hurt.

OP, seriously, you need to see a therapist. No, there is no way to write this language into your support agreement. If he is negligent and your child is killed, he could face criminal negligence charges.

If you have examples of serious risk of endangerment, you can call Child Protective Services or petition the court to allow him to have only supervised visitation. But the two examples you cite are not at all at the level of risk that an agency will entertain.

There are more examples. He's already had 1 child. Accidentally die. So again I ask anything?

Do you think he killed the child so he wouldn't have to pay child support? Was he sad that the child died?

Otherwise, I don't see how your reasoning will work. I understand that it must be scary to send your child off for visitation with someone you don't trust, but what you're implying here goes beyond "careless".

Yes. No to the second question. Ambivalent at the death. Still is. But bought a new car not soon after.

NP here. Wait a sec. To be clear, you think he killed the child to avoid paying child support? Because elsewhere you said he didn't even notice the child left the house. That is certainly careless, maybe even reckless depending on the circumstances, but if you're suggesting he intentionally allowed a child to walk into a swimming pool and drown, with the goal of avoiding child support payments, that is a different ballgame. It's a different UNIVERSE. So which is it?

Yes. His reckless behavior lead to the death. But he wasn't too concerned. Because it was a burden he no longer had. So not criminally responsible but I am not focused on putting him in jail. I just don't want our child to be next. He got away with an accident once.

And, yet, knowing what type of person he is, you still choose to have and raise a child with.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are that worried offer no more child support in exchange for full custody, supervised visition until child is older

Yes, this.

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Anonymous wrote:As with the snow driving ex my ex makes questionable safety decisions with our child. Think definite blizzard driving or placing toddler in recalled recreational vehicle only 2 examples - there is more. I am powerless to stop this but is there anything I can put in our agreement that if our child is injury or killed in his care he would still have to pay support? I would have it go to a non-profit for child abuse or a legal pro se help office etc... Not to me
But I want him on notice that it is no financial benefit to him if our child is hurt.

OP, seriously, you need to see a therapist. No, there is no way to write this language into your support agreement. If he is negligent and your child is killed, he could face criminal negligence charges.

If you have examples of serious risk of endangerment, you can call Child Protective Services or petition the court to allow him to have only supervised visitation. But the two examples you cite are not at all at the level of risk that an agency will entertain.

There are more examples. He's already had 1 child. Accidentally die. So again I ask anything?

Do you think he killed the child so he wouldn't have to pay child support? Was he sad that the child died?

Otherwise, I don't see how your reasoning will work. I understand that it must be scary to send your child off for visitation with someone you don't trust, but what you're implying here goes beyond "careless".

Yes. No to the second question. Ambivalent at the death. Still is. But bought a new car not soon after.

NP here. Wait a sec. To be clear, you think he killed the child to avoid paying child support? Because elsewhere you said he didn't even notice the child left the house. That is certainly careless, maybe even reckless depending on the circumstances, but if you're suggesting he intentionally allowed a child to walk into a swimming pool and drown, with the goal of avoiding child support payments, that is a different ballgame. It's a different UNIVERSE. So which is it?

Yes. His reckless behavior lead to the death. But he wasn't too concerned. Because it was a burden he no longer had. So not criminally responsible but I am not focused on putting him in jail. I just don't want our child to be next. He got away with an accident once.

You're still saying inconsistent things. In your opinion, was it an accident or was it intentional? Those are opposites, and mutually exclusive. It can't be both.

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Anonymous wrote:As with the snow driving ex my ex makes questionable safety decisions with our child. Think definite blizzard driving or placing toddler in recalled recreational vehicle only 2 examples - there is more. I am powerless to stop this but is there anything I can put in our agreement that if our child is injury or killed in his care he would still have to pay support? I would have it go to a non-profit for child abuse or a legal pro se help office etc... Not to me
But I want him on notice that it is no financial benefit to him if our child is hurt.

OP, seriously, you need to see a therapist. No, there is no way to write this language into your support agreement. If he is negligent and your child is killed, he could face criminal negligence charges.

If you have examples of serious risk of endangerment, you can call Child Protective Services or petition the court to allow him to have only supervised visitation. But the two examples you cite are not at all at the level of risk that an agency will entertain.

There are more examples. He's already had 1 child. Accidentally die. So again I ask anything?

Do you think he killed the child so he wouldn't have to pay child support? Was he sad that the child died?

Otherwise, I don't see how your reasoning will work. I understand that it must be scary to send your child off for visitation with someone you don't trust, but what you're implying here goes beyond "careless".

Yes. No to the second question. Ambivalent at the death. Still is. But bought a new car not soon after.

NP here. Wait a sec. To be clear, you think he killed the child to avoid paying child support? Because elsewhere you said he didn't even notice the child left the house. That is certainly careless, maybe even reckless depending on the circumstances, but if you're suggesting he intentionally allowed a child to walk into a swimming pool and drown, with the goal of avoiding child support payments, that is a different ballgame. It's a different UNIVERSE. So which is it?

Yes. His reckless behavior lead to the death. But he wasn't too concerned. Because it was a burden he no longer had. So not criminally responsible but I am not focused on putting him in jail. I just don't want our child to be next. He got away with an accident once.

You're still saying inconsistent things. In your opinion, was it an accident or was it intentional? Those are opposites, and mutually exclusive. It can't be both.

Intentional ambivalence. A willful failure to supervise.

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You sound really twisted.

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Anonymous wrote:As with the snow driving ex my ex makes questionable safety decisions with our child. Think definite blizzard driving or placing toddler in recalled recreational vehicle only 2 examples - there is more. I am powerless to stop this but is there anything I can put in our agreement that if our child is injury or killed in his care he would still have to pay support? I would have it go to a non-profit for child abuse or a legal pro se help office etc... Not to me
But I want him on notice that it is no financial benefit to him if our child is hurt.

OP, seriously, you need to see a therapist. No, there is no way to write this language into your support agreement. If he is negligent and your child is killed, he could face criminal negligence charges.

If you have examples of serious risk of endangerment, you can call Child Protective Services or petition the court to allow him to have only supervised visitation. But the two examples you cite are not at all at the level of risk that an agency will entertain.

There are more examples. He's already had 1 child. Accidentally die. So again I ask anything?

Do you think he killed the child so he wouldn't have to pay child support? Was he sad that the child died?

Otherwise, I don't see how your reasoning will work. I understand that it must be scary to send your child off for visitation with someone you don't trust, but what you're implying here goes beyond "careless".

Yes. No to the second question. Ambivalent at the death. Still is. But bought a new car not soon after.

NP here. Wait a sec. To be clear, you think he killed the child to avoid paying child support? Because elsewhere you said he didn't even notice the child left the house. That is certainly careless, maybe even reckless depending on the circumstances, but if you're suggesting he intentionally allowed a child to walk into a swimming pool and drown, with the goal of avoiding child support payments, that is a different ballgame. It's a different UNIVERSE. So which is it?

Yes. His reckless behavior lead to the death. But he wasn't too concerned. Because it was a burden he no longer had. So not criminally responsible but I am not focused on putting him in jail. I just don't want our child to be next. He got away with an accident once.

You're still saying inconsistent things. In your opinion, was it an accident or was it intentional? Those are opposites, and mutually exclusive. It can't be both.

I think the OP is being consistent and clear. OP: your best option seems to be giving up support in exchange for full custody. Is that possible? That's what I'd do. Your ex doesn't sound well. If I were you, I'd be worried, too.