DC CAS Subgroup Data

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Anonymous wrote:...and Deal beats all Charters, not all other charters.

Deal didn't score "a lot better" than Basis. Deal came in only a few points higher on reading and was actually one point lower than Basis on math. But consider also that Deal has a very different demographic - mostly Ward 3 high-SES white, and they manage to keep out a huge number of FARMS students. Basis on the other hand has a much more diverse student body drawing from all across the city, with twice the percentage of FARMS students, to the point of qualifying as Title I. Deal also has more resources and funding per student than Basis. Yet Basis, as promised, still did quite well - I wouldn't at all be surprised if their scores surpass Deal's next year. Also, unlike most DCPS schools, Basis does not spend anywhere near as much time working on DC-CAS test prep. Their philosophy is to have a strong curriculum in the first place, rather than teaching to the test the way DCPS does.

When you make up stuff to support your argument even though it's easy to fact check and prove you wrong, you recklessly undermine your stance. It could lead everyone to ignore your larger point, that BASIS is a quality place. That would be a shame.

Deal is majority minority -- not "mostly white." In fact (and this will be galling to you, but it's true), the "pie chart of ALL races" is more balanced at Deal than at BASIS. Deal is more "diverse." This is a fact.

Not only does Deal draw inbounds from Ward 2 and 4, along with ward 3 -- it's 31% OOB. One in three kids lives nowhere near ward 3.

Deal = 21% FARMS -- 262 poor kids -- to BASIS's 40% FARMS, or 177 poor kids. Just sayin. Your protestation that Deal is so,so rich and BASIS is so Title I is not so compelling when you look at butts in seats.

Both schools provide a solid education. Your notion that BASIS does it with two arms tied behind its back, however, is full if shit. We haven't even touched on the deluge of **private**, national funding that fleshes out the big budget of BASIS.

Seriously? Do you think that no one from the Hardy boundary is OOB in Deal? Also, Deal has 986 non-FARMS kids, while BASIS has 266. As for private funding, are you ignoring the large donations by Deal's parents, as well as DCPS' advantqage for funding over charter schools? In any case, no one is saying that BASIS "has two arms tied behind its back". They're saying that BASIS performs significantly better than DCPS in educating FARMS kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...and Deal beats all Charters, not all other charters.

Deal didn't score "a lot better" than Basis. Deal came in only a few points higher on reading and was actually one point lower than Basis on math. But consider also that Deal has a very different demographic - mostly Ward 3 high-SES white, and they manage to keep out a huge number of FARMS students. Basis on the other hand has a much more diverse student body drawing from all across the city, with twice the percentage of FARMS students, to the point of qualifying as Title I. Deal also has more resources and funding per student than Basis. Yet Basis, as promised, still did quite well - I wouldn't at all be surprised if their scores surpass Deal's next year. Also, unlike most DCPS schools, Basis does not spend anywhere near as much time working on DC-CAS test prep. Their philosophy is to have a strong curriculum in the first place, rather than teaching to the test the way DCPS does.

When you make up stuff to support your argument even though it's easy to fact check and prove you wrong, you recklessly undermine your stance. It could lead everyone to ignore your larger point, that BASIS is a quality place. That would be a shame.

Deal is majority minority -- not "mostly white." In fact (and this will be galling to you, but it's true), the "pie chart of ALL races" is more balanced at Deal than at BASIS. Deal is more "diverse." This is a fact.

Not only does Deal draw inbounds from Ward 2 and 4, along with ward 3 -- it's 31% OOB. One in three kids lives nowhere near ward 3.

Deal = 21% FARMS -- 262 poor kids -- to BASIS's 40% FARMS, or 177 poor kids. Just sayin. Your protestation that Deal is so,so rich and BASIS is so Title I is not so compelling when you look at butts in seats.

Both schools provide a solid education. Your notion that BASIS does it with two arms tied behind its back, however, is full if shit. We haven't even touched on the deluge of **private**, national funding that fleshes out the big budget of BASIS.

Seriously? Do you think that no one from the Hardy boundary is OOB in Deal? Also, Deal has 986 non-FARMS kids, while BASIS has 266. As for private funding, are you ignoring the large donations by Deal's parents, as well as DCPS' advantqage for funding over charter schools? In any case, no one is saying that BASIS "has two arms tied behind its back". They're saying that BASIS performs significantly better than DCPS in educating FARMS kids.

Same poster here. That data was wrong for BASIS, it's 204 FARMS, and 307 non-FARMS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...and Deal beats all Charters, not all other charters.

Deal didn't score "a lot better" than Basis. Deal came in only a few points higher on reading and was actually one point lower than Basis on math. But consider also that Deal has a very different demographic - mostly Ward 3 high-SES white, and they manage to keep out a huge number of FARMS students. Basis on the other hand has a much more diverse student body drawing from all across the city, with twice the percentage of FARMS students, to the point of qualifying as Title I. Deal also has more resources and funding per student than Basis. Yet Basis, as promised, still did quite well - I wouldn't at all be surprised if their scores surpass Deal's next year. Also, unlike most DCPS schools, Basis does not spend anywhere near as much time working on DC-CAS test prep. Their philosophy is to have a strong curriculum in the first place, rather than teaching to the test the way DCPS does.

When you make up stuff to support your argument even though it's easy to fact check and prove you wrong, you recklessly undermine your stance. It could lead everyone to ignore your larger point, that BASIS is a quality place. That would be a shame.

Deal is majority minority -- not "mostly white." In fact (and this will be galling to you, but it's true), the "pie chart of ALL races" is more balanced at Deal than at BASIS. Deal is more "diverse." This is a fact.

Not only does Deal draw inbounds from Ward 2 and 4, along with ward 3 -- it's 31% OOB. One in three kids lives nowhere near ward 3.

Deal = 21% FARMS -- 262 poor kids -- to BASIS's 40% FARMS, or 177 poor kids. Just sayin. Your protestation that Deal is so,so rich and BASIS is so Title I is not so compelling when you look at butts in seats.

Both schools provide a solid education. Your notion that BASIS does it with two arms tied behind its back, however, is full if shit. We haven't even touched on the deluge of **private**, national funding that fleshes out the big budget of BASIS.

Seriously? Do you think that no one from the Hardy boundary is OOB in Deal? Also, Deal has 986 non-FARMS kids, while BASIS has 266. As for private funding, are you ignoring the large donations by Deal's parents, as well as DCPS' advantqage for funding over charter schools? In any case, no one is saying that BASIS "has two arms tied behind its back". They're saying that BASIS performs significantly better than DCPS in educating FARMS kids.

Deal PTA mom and dad money comes nowhere close to the corporate and foundation grants that BASIS is awarded. Also, BASIS parent organization financial shenanigans have been well discussed. This is not a winning point for Team BASIS.

Also, that's not what was under discussion. It was actually the more specific fallacy that BASIS = underdog, Deal = country club.

[Anonymous]

Deal is about 3x the size of. Basis, so you should use numbers rather than percentages.

[Anonymous]

If this is the booster I am thinking of who brings up Basis regardless of the relevance, she has said she is is IB for Horace Mann, so not exactly FARMS...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...and Deal beats all Charters, not all other charters.

Deal didn't score "a lot better" than Basis. Deal came in only a few points higher on reading and was actually one point lower than Basis on math. But consider also that Deal has a very different demographic - mostly Ward 3 high-SES white, and they manage to keep out a huge number of FARMS students. Basis on the other hand has a much more diverse student body drawing from all across the city, with twice the percentage of FARMS students, to the point of qualifying as Title I. Deal also has more resources and funding per student than Basis. Yet Basis, as promised, still did quite well - I wouldn't at all be surprised if their scores surpass Deal's next year. Also, unlike most DCPS schools, Basis does not spend anywhere near as much time working on DC-CAS test prep. Their philosophy is to have a strong curriculum in the first place, rather than teaching to the test the way DCPS does.

When you make up stuff to support your argument even though it's easy to fact check and prove you wrong, you recklessly undermine your stance. It could lead everyone to ignore your larger point, that BASIS is a quality place. That would be a shame.

Deal is majority minority -- not "mostly white." In fact (and this will be galling to you, but it's true), the "pie chart of ALL races" is more balanced at Deal than at BASIS. Deal is more "diverse." This is a fact.

Not only does Deal draw inbounds from Ward 2 and 4, along with ward 3 -- it's 31% OOB. One in three kids lives nowhere near ward 3.

Deal = 21% FARMS -- 262 poor kids -- to BASIS's 40% FARMS, or 177 poor kids. Just sayin. Your protestation that Deal is so,so rich and BASIS is so Title I is not so compelling when you look at butts in seats.

Both schools provide a solid education. Your notion that BASIS does it with two arms tied behind its back, however, is full if shit. We haven't even touched on the deluge of **private**, national funding that fleshes out the big budget of BASIS.

Seriously? Do you think that no one from the Hardy boundary is OOB in Deal? Also, Deal has 986 non-FARMS kids, while BASIS has 266. As for private funding, are you ignoring the large donations by Deal's parents, as well as DCPS' advantqage for funding over charter schools? In any case, no one is saying that BASIS "has two arms tied behind its back". They're saying that BASIS performs significantly better than DCPS in educating FARMS kids.

Deal PTA mom and dad money comes nowhere close to the corporate and foundation grants that BASIS is awarded. Also, BASIS parent organization financial shenanigans have been well discussed. This is not a winning point for Team BASIS.

Also, that's not what was under discussion. It was actually the more specific fallacy that BASIS = underdog, Deal = country club.

The corporate and foundation money that is spread across 14 schools in 2 states and DC? I wasn't discussing the funding mainly, I was discussing the FARMS, like in the poster I was replying to. As for being the underdog, BASIS does have a larger percentage of FARMS (Deal has double the kids, so having slightly more FARMS kids isn't exactly an achievement), and BASIS has only been open for two years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...and Deal beats all Charters, not all other charters.

Deal didn't score "a lot better" than Basis. Deal came in only a few points higher on reading and was actually one point lower than Basis on math. But consider also that Deal has a very different demographic - mostly Ward 3 high-SES white, and they manage to keep out a huge number of FARMS students. Basis on the other hand has a much more diverse student body drawing from all across the city, with twice the percentage of FARMS students, to the point of qualifying as Title I. Deal also has more resources and funding per student than Basis. Yet Basis, as promised, still did quite well - I wouldn't at all be surprised if their scores surpass Deal's next year. Also, unlike most DCPS schools, Basis does not spend anywhere near as much time working on DC-CAS test prep. Their philosophy is to have a strong curriculum in the first place, rather than teaching to the test the way DCPS does.

When you make up stuff to support your argument even though it's easy to fact check and prove you wrong, you recklessly undermine your stance. It could lead everyone to ignore your larger point, that BASIS is a quality place. That would be a shame.

Deal is majority minority -- not "mostly white." In fact (and this will be galling to you, but it's true), the "pie chart of ALL races" is more balanced at Deal than at BASIS. Deal is more "diverse." This is a fact.

Not only does Deal draw inbounds from Ward 2 and 4, along with ward 3 -- it's 31% OOB. One in three kids lives nowhere near ward 3.

Deal = 21% FARMS -- 262 poor kids -- to BASIS's 40% FARMS, or 177 poor kids. Just sayin. Your protestation that Deal is so,so rich and BASIS is so Title I is not so compelling when you look at butts in seats.

Both schools provide a solid education. Your notion that BASIS does it with two arms tied behind its back, however, is full if shit. We haven't even touched on the deluge of **private**, national funding that fleshes out the big budget of BASIS.

20:10 - Number of "butts in seats" is not relevant where it comes to scores. Deal's scores which you want to tout are a function of the PERCENTAGES of students hitting the CAS targets, yet you whine and complain when someone talks about PERCENTAGES in the demographics behind it? Are you deliberately trying to obfuscate apples with oranges, or what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:...and Deal beats all Charters, not all other charters.

Deal didn't score "a lot better" than Basis. Deal came in only a few points higher on reading and was actually one point lower than Basis on math. But consider also that Deal has a very different demographic - mostly Ward 3 high-SES white, and they manage to keep out a huge number of FARMS students. Basis on the other hand has a much more diverse student body drawing from all across the city, with twice the percentage of FARMS students, to the point of qualifying as Title I. Deal also has more resources and funding per student than Basis. Yet Basis, as promised, still did quite well - I wouldn't at all be surprised if their scores surpass Deal's next year. Also, unlike most DCPS schools, Basis does not spend anywhere near as much time working on DC-CAS test prep. Their philosophy is to have a strong curriculum in the first place, rather than teaching to the test the way DCPS does.

When you make up stuff to support your argument even though it's easy to fact check and prove you wrong, you recklessly undermine your stance. It could lead everyone to ignore your larger point, that BASIS is a quality place. That would be a shame.

Deal is majority minority -- not "mostly white." In fact (and this will be galling to you, but it's true), the "pie chart of ALL races" is more balanced at Deal than at BASIS. Deal is more "diverse." This is a fact.

Not only does Deal draw inbounds from Ward 2 and 4, along with ward 3 -- it's 31% OOB. One in three kids lives nowhere near ward 3.

Deal = 21% FARMS -- 262 poor kids -- to BASIS's 40% FARMS, or 177 poor kids. Just sayin. Your protestation that Deal is so,so rich and BASIS is so Title I is not so compelling when you look at butts in seats.

Both schools provide a solid education. Your notion that BASIS does it with two arms tied behind its back, however, is full if shit. We haven't even touched on the deluge of **private**, national funding that fleshes out the big budget of BASIS.

Seriously? Do you think that no one from the Hardy boundary is OOB in Deal? Also, Deal has 986 non-FARMS kids, while BASIS has 266. As for private funding, are you ignoring the large donations by Deal's parents, as well as DCPS' advantqage for funding over charter schools? In any case, no one is saying that BASIS "has two arms tied behind its back". They're saying that BASIS performs significantly better than DCPS in educating FARMS kids.

Deal PTA mom and dad money comes nowhere close to the corporate and foundation grants that BASIS is awarded. Also, BASIS parent organization financial shenanigans have been well discussed. This is not a winning point for Team BASIS.

Also, that's not what was under discussion. It was actually the more specific fallacy that BASIS = underdog, Deal = country club.

The corporate and foundation money that is spread across 14 schools in 2 states and DC? I wasn't discussing the funding mainly, I was discussing the FARMS, like in the poster I was replying to. As for being the underdog, BASIS does have a larger percentage of FARMS (Deal has double the kids, so having slightly more FARMS kids isn't exactly an achievement), and BASIS has only been open for two years.

That's right - Basis has only even been through CAS testing once before this year, whereas CAS and AYP is old hat for Deal going back to 2003.

[Anonymous]

My DC got a LOT more "CAS review" at Basis this year as a 5th grader than they ever did at their JKLM elementary-so these claims they don't care about CAS preach to the test are not exactly accurate-in fact they got more CAS review than our upper school child at Basis got for comp review, and they take comp review pretty seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DC got a LOT more "CAS review" at Basis this year as a 5th grader than they ever did at their JKLM elementary-so these claims they don't care about CAS preach to the test are not exactly accurate-in fact they got more CAS review than our upper school child at Basis got for comp review, and they take comp review pretty seriously.

The CAS review is not in regular classes, it's just in AERO, which is used as a study hall otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Not true, my 5th grader at Basis did it during ALL the classes that had CAS testing-Science, English and Math-and spent Aero primarily reviewing Math and how to take the test. They did this for a few weeks. They started reviewing a month before but not intensely until about 2 weeks before

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not true, my 5th grader at Basis did it during ALL the classes that had CAS testing-Science, English and Math-and spent Aero primarily reviewing Math and how to take the test. They did this for a few weeks. They started reviewing a month before but not intensely until about 2 weeks before

PP here. My 7th grader only had AERO, and there was a bit of review in English, but sciences didn't have CAS prep, and he heard that there was some CAS review in math. His experience was still only a little CAS prep, and most of the school year was much more accelerated.

[Anonymous]

Same experience here - My 6th grade DS says they just had a couple of weeks of Math and English CAS review - and then only for part of AERO each day - not in any regular class time.

Maybe they gave the 5th graders more to get them up to speed - which would stand to reason, as incoming 5th graders are most likely to be unprepared and behind academically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love you OP!!! It's a shame when you have to get valuable information from a blog. DCPS should have linked me to this site. I'm a DCPS teacher and have to look for DCPS school data from DCUM posters.

I am a DCPS teacher and I posted it on the other thread. Thank you OP for posting it in this thread. I found out about the LearnDC site recently and I don't think it's been around too long. OSSE should do more publicity of the site because some people still check nclb.osse.dc.gov and that site has no new data since NCLB has morphed into ESEA classifications.

The only way to look at cohorts is to look at the year before for the previous grade for the school and then to look at the next grade for the next year at that school. For example, Deal's 2011 6th grade is Deal's 2012 7th grade, is Deal's 2013 8th grade. I think the tricky thing about this, is that in some parts of town (where there are more charters) the students are way more transient than you might imagine and doing this isn't totally a clear picture.
For example, Ron Brown Middle consolidated with Kelly Miller Middle so comparing the 7th grade 2013 data to the 8th grade 2014 data and the Ron Brown data is no longer available on LearnDC (which I am not sure it ever was- due to when LearnDC started) because it's closed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love you OP!!! It's a shame when you have to get valuable information from a blog. DCPS should have linked me to this site. I'm a DCPS teacher and have to look for DCPS school data from DCUM posters.

Sorry, error in last sentence of my previous post.
I am a DCPS teacher and I posted it on the other thread. Thank you OP for posting it in this thread. I found out about the LearnDC site recently and I don't think it's been around too long. OSSE should do more publicity of the site because some people still check nclb.osse.dc.gov and that site has no new data since NCLB has morphed into ESEA classifications.

The only way to look at cohorts is to look at the year before for the previous grade for the school and then to look at the next grade for the next year at that school. For example, Deal's 2011 6th grade is Deal's 2012 7th grade, is Deal's 2013 8th grade. I think the tricky thing about this, is that in some parts of town (where there are more charters) the students are way more transient than you might imagine and doing this isn't totally a clear picture.
For example, Ron Brown Middle consolidated with Kelly Miller Middle so comparing the 7th grade 2013 data to the 8th grade 2014 data isn't a clear picture. Plus, the Ron Brown data is no longer available on LearnDC (which I am not sure it ever was- due to when LearnDC started) because it's closed.