Not really. Roman Catholicism was created out of a schism with the Eastern Orthodox Christians, the Eastern Orthodox Churches never recognized the Roman Cardinal (now called Pope) as the head of the Church. The Unitarians were not included once the Nicene Creed was established (325)- but they died or were killed for being heretics, then from time to time another would pop up and be killed for being a heretic.... until the mid-1500's when a sect was started in the eastern Hungarian section of modern Romania and has been continuous since. Unitarians there consider themselves to be Christian, but not Trinitarian (which is what the Nicene Creed established). |
You're talking about orthodox jews, right? These rules don't apply to all jews, do they? |
The Roman Catholics were the original organized Christians, with a creed, a set of scriptures and set of rules that the leaders devised and agreed to at the council of Nicea in 325, but before that there were many independent groups, just as there are today. |
The Roman Catholics, were not "Roman" until they broke away from the Orthodox Eastern Catholics. There were many independent groups before during and after Nicea. |
There may have been christians who didn't buy into for the trinity in325, but was no Unitarian denomination until the 18th century. |
"The World's Religions" by Huston Smith is a well-written, readable book that explains the basics of major religions. This is a better way to learn than relying on the possibly uninformed opinions of us DCUM'ers! |
You are incorrect. There have been continuous Unitarian pulpits in Romania since 1650's. My Congregation has had a partner church with one of those Congregations for the past 20 years. http://www.unitarian.org.uk/pages/history The earliest organised Unitarian movements were founded in the 16th century in Poland and Transylvania. In Britain, Unitarianism was damned as heresy and the death penalty imposed on anyone who denied the trinity. With Unitarianism seen as heresy and specifically forbidden by parliament’s Toleration Act of 1689, several early radical reformers who professed Unitarian beliefs in the 16th and 17th centuries, suffered imprisonment and martyrdom. |
Ok, the 16th century, then, but not before Nicaea |
There have always been unitarians- even before Nicaea- that was one of the debates that they had before and at (and for some after) Nicaea- Trinity or not. You are correct in that they were not organized as a denomination. |
This does apply to all Jews. Most of us just don't do it. Conservative and Reform movements emerged to make it "ok" for Jews not to keep kosher, etc. |
Thank you everyone. I appreciate all responses and have learned from you. |
Roman Catholics do believe that they - along with their Orthodox brethern - are the original Christians. That Peter was the first head of the Church "the rock upon which the Church was built" and that the leadership of the Church has been a continuous since him. (It's also why Orthodox Catholics are generally the only ones other than Roman Catholics who are allowed to receive communion at a Catholic Mass.) Of course, there were other people who also followed Christ, 2000 years ago and now, who are also Christians, but the faith of the Catholic Church is that it is an unbroken (if extraordinarily messy and human!) chain from Jesus to Peter to the Church today. |
This is incorrect. Conservative Judaism considers kashrut a binding part of halacha. There are some differences from Orthodoxy on certain details (some obvious ones are the treatment of rennet in cheesemaking, the use of wine made by non-jews "staam yayin", and the eating of swordfish) Now most conservative congregations include many people who are not observant (or not fully observant), but that used to be true of many orthodox congregations, and is of course still quite true of many chabad congregations. Note that many orthodox congregations where everyone is observant of kashrut, include some congregants who neglect other parts of halacha, like loshon hara (gossip) and mitzot relating to business ethics, etc. We are all struggling to be more observant in our own ways. Reform does not consider halacha (other than ethical commandments) to be binding, but does encourage Jews to consider keeping the form of kashrut that they as individuals find meaningful. And the circumstances of its founding are much more complex than the above. |
Muslima Welcome. I am a Conservative Jew. I am not completely observant myself (we usually only eat kosher meat in our home, but I will eat nonkosher meat out, and we do not keep two sets of dishes, etc). My understanding is that the requirements for how an animal is slaughtered are similar as between kosher and hallal. The prayers said over the slaugher are of course different, and while SOME imams accept the consumption of kosher meat where hallal is not available, as far as I know NO jewish legal authority, either Orthodox or Conservative does so. Some Jews I know will eat Hallal in place of kosher meat - both because its often very difficult to find kosher meat (and they are unwilling to forego meat entirely) and for the sake of peace. Salaam/shalom |
to clariy - no Jewish legal authority allows the consumption of Hallah meat in place of kosher meat. Rather that is a practice evolving among some partially observant lay Jews. |