I really, really hate that Golda Meir quote

[Muslima]

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Anonymous wrote:I fire back at the people that are firing missiles at me. Oh wait, I need to accept there attacks because they launch and store the missiles in a hospital.

I need to respond proportionally.

Ok, so Israel should indiscriminately fire missiles at civilians instead of targeting known militants and buildings that house rockets.

I don't think you understand what proportionally means. Or you are too obtuse and blind to care.

The reason there are fewer Israeli casualties is because Israel invests its money in protecting its citizens with sirens and bomb shelter - shelters that my family in the south of Israel have virtually lived in for years. Jews dont have to apologize for not dying enough.

Gaza spends its money on weapons and tunnels, the tunnels are estimated to have cost at least $90M. That would have built a lot of bomb shelters.

Yes, because clearly Israel has spent $90m on attacking Gaza and Israel and the Palestinians are perfectly evenly matched when it comes to wealth

They found the money for the tunnels and the missiles and most of Hamas's leaders are millionaires and even billionaires. The people are Gaza are incredibly poor, but Hamas has money to spend and chooses not to spend it on protecting its people.

The casualty count is not proportional, but not for lack of effort on Hamas's part.

Also, numbers, as unfortunate and tragic as they are, tell nothing about who started this war (hint: Hamas) and who has since broken 3-4 ceasefires.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/11/numbers-don-t-tell-the-mideast-story.html

So, Palestinians don't spend enough on defense, and Hamas "started this war," so their innocents deserve to get killed. Got it. Clearly they are MAKING ISRAEL KILL THEIR CHILDREN, right PP?

I have asked the question many times before, what should Israel do? Not defend itself from missile attacks?

Maybe end the occupation? The siege? The blockade? Just a thought

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I fire back at the people that are firing missiles at me. Oh wait, I need to accept there attacks because they launch and store the missiles in a hospital.

I need to respond proportionally.

Ok, so Israel should indiscriminately fire missiles at civilians instead of targeting known militants and buildings that house rockets.

I don't think you understand what proportionally means. Or you are too obtuse and blind to care.

The reason there are fewer Israeli casualties is because Israel invests its money in protecting its citizens with sirens and bomb shelter - shelters that my family in the south of Israel have virtually lived in for years. Jews dont have to apologize for not dying enough.

Gaza spends its money on weapons and tunnels, the tunnels are estimated to have cost at least $90M. That would have built a lot of bomb shelters.

Yes, because clearly Israel has spent $90m on attacking Gaza and Israel and the Palestinians are perfectly evenly matched when it comes to wealth

They found the money for the tunnels and the missiles and most of Hamas's leaders are millionaires and even billionaires. The people are Gaza are incredibly poor, but Hamas has money to spend and chooses not to spend it on protecting its people.

The casualty count is not proportional, but not for lack of effort on Hamas's part.

Also, numbers, as unfortunate and tragic as they are, tell nothing about who started this war (hint: Hamas) and who has since broken 3-4 ceasefires.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/11/numbers-don-t-tell-the-mideast-story.html

So, Palestinians don't spend enough on defense, and Hamas "started this war," so their innocents deserve to get killed. Got it. Clearly they are MAKING ISRAEL KILL THEIR CHILDREN, right PP?

I have asked the question many times before, what should Israel do? Not defend itself from missile attacks?

Maybe end the occupation? The siege? The blockade? Just a thought

With what assurance or guarantees for security?

[Anonymous]

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I fire back at the people that are firing missiles at me. Oh wait, I need to accept there attacks because they launch and store the missiles in a hospital.


I need to respond proportionally.


Ok, so Israel should indiscriminately fire missiles at civilians instead of targeting known militants and buildings that house rockets.

The problem is Israel targets civilians. You can't say we don't indiscriminately fire guided munitions and kill boys playing on the beach. You targeted those boys....that is a war crime.

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There is no doubt that Gaza is losing the numbers game (Hamas is actually winning the numbers game, bc this was clearly their intention by starting a war they could not possibly win militarily). However, when you hide behind human shields, your casualty count is bound to be considerably higher. Additionally, casualty counts in Germany in WW2 were higher - did that make them the victims? Casualty counts in Japan in WW2 were higher, was the US fighting an unfair war? Casualties are a horrible, tragic part of war, but they are not the marker of who is right and who is wrong.

[Anonymous]

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There is no doubt that Gaza is losing the numbers game (Hamas is actually winning the numbers game, bc this was clearly their intention by starting a war they could not possibly win militarily). However, when you hide behind human shields, your casualty count is bound to be considerably higher. Additionally, casualty counts in Germany in WW2 were higher - did that make them the victims? Casualty counts in Japan in WW2 were higher, was the US fighting an unfair war? Casualties are a horrible, tragic part of war, but they are not the marker of who is right and who is wrong.

Oh, that's right.

BECAUSE THE PALESTINIANS ARE MAKING THE JEWS KILL THEIR CHILDREN, RIGHT, PP?

[Anonymous]

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There is no doubt that Gaza is losing the numbers game (Hamas is actually winning the numbers game, bc this was clearly their intention by starting a war they could not possibly win militarily). However, when you hide behind human shields, your casualty count is bound to be considerably higher. Additionally, casualty counts in Germany in WW2 were higher - did that make them the victims? Casualty counts in Japan in WW2 were higher, was the US fighting an unfair war? Casualties are a horrible, tragic part of war, but they are not the marker of who is right and who is wrong.

Oh, that's right.

BECAUSE THE PALESTINIANS ARE MAKING THE JEWS KILL THEIR CHILDREN, RIGHT, PP?

Israel has a choice. She can live in an air-raid shelter under rocket fire, or fight back. The problem is Hamas places the munitions in places where children reside. Using the children as human shields. Human shields should be a war crime.

[Anonymous]

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There is no doubt that Gaza is losing the numbers game (Hamas is actually winning the numbers game, bc this was clearly their intention by starting a war they could not possibly win militarily). However, when you hide behind human shields, your casualty count is bound to be considerably higher. Additionally, casualty counts in Germany in WW2 were higher - did that make them the victims? Casualty counts in Japan in WW2 were higher, was the US fighting an unfair war? Casualties are a horrible, tragic part of war, but they are not the marker of who is right and who is wrong.

Oh, that's right.

BECAUSE THE PALESTINIANS ARE MAKING THE JEWS KILL THEIR CHILDREN, RIGHT, PP?

Israel has a choice. She can live in an air-raid shelter under rocket fire, or fight back. The problem is Hamas places the munitions in places where children reside. Using the children as human shields. Human shields should be a war crime.

So, again. 1000+ Palestinians dead vs. how many Israelis? And it's still 100% the Palestinians' fault.

[Anonymous]

Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

But when the Palestinians fight back, it's not self defense, it's "terrorism." The blatant hypocrisy is amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

Um, no. You can't use lethal force to defend yourself unless your life is in immediate danger. IMMEDIATE DANGER. And you can't use it to defend property.

So much flawed logic. So much flawed morality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

Um, no. You can't use lethal force to defend yourself unless your life is in immediate danger. IMMEDIATE DANGER. And you can't use it to defend property.

So much flawed logic. So much flawed morality.

If someone shoots at me, my life is in danger. All in southern Israel are in danger from rocket attacks.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

But when the Palestinians fight back, it's not self defense, it's "terrorism." The blatant hypocrisy is amazing.

When did Israel fire the first shot int he last 5 years?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

But when the Palestinians fight back, it's not self defense, it's "terrorism." The blatant hypocrisy is amazing.

When did Israel fire the first shot int he last 5 years?

Violence (including psychological, isolation, etc) exists in many forms, not just in the forms of a "shot."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

But when the Palestinians fight back, it's not self defense, it's "terrorism." The blatant hypocrisy is amazing.

When did Israel fire the first shot int he last 5 years?

Violence (including psychological, isolation, etc) exists in many forms, not just in the forms of a "shot."

So you admit, Israel is not directly and physically attacking Gaza before the rocket fire?