Achievement gap

[Anonymous]

MoCo has become, as Doug Gansler so ineloquently put it in the recent debate, a "majority minority county." Whites are a minority now, and minorities have growing power in politics. They've (rightly) made it an issue, IMO, because the schools are insanely segregated, and black and Latino kids are not doing as well statistically. Part of this is SES but part of it is the overall school culture and treatment of minority kids. There are still more suspensions, more discipline, more expulsions of minority children. They can't do much about the SES disparity and impact, but they can do their part to ensure equitable treatment of all kids on their end.

And after watching them testify ad nauseam this year during many budget sessions, I am convinced they are clueless about the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MoCo has become, as Doug Gansler so ineloquently put it in the recent debate, a "majority minority county." Whites are a minority now, and minorities have growing power in politics. They've (rightly) made it an issue, IMO, because the schools are insanely segregated, and black and Latino kids are not doing as well statistically. Part of this is SES but part of it is the overall school culture and treatment of minority kids. There are still more suspensions, more discipline, more expulsions of minority children. They can't do much about the SES disparity and impact, but they can do their part to ensure equitable treatment of all kids on their end.

And after watching them testify ad nauseam this year during many budget sessions, I am convinced they are clueless about the issue.

Yeah, this can't possibly be fair. If these kids were actually causing more problems we would expect the trend to continue once they left school and became adults, and that doesn't happen right? And I suppose Asian kids aren't considered a minority? They get expelled at a lower rate than whites; it must be that the school system is biased against whites as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has become, as Doug Gansler so ineloquently put it in the recent debate, a "majority minority county." Whites are a minority now, and minorities have growing power in politics. They've (rightly) made it an issue, IMO, because the schools are insanely segregated, and black and Latino kids are not doing as well statistically. Part of this is SES but part of it is the overall school culture and treatment of minority kids. There are still more suspensions, more discipline, more expulsions of minority children. They can't do much about the SES disparity and impact, but they can do their part to ensure equitable treatment of all kids on their end.

And after watching them testify ad nauseam this year during many budget sessions, I am convinced they are clueless about the issue.

Yeah, this can't possibly be fair. If these kids were actually causing more problems we would expect the trend to continue once they left school and became adults, and that doesn't happen right? And I suppose Asian kids aren't considered a minority? They get expelled at a lower rate than whites; it must be that the school system is biased against whites as well.

Black and Hispanic children get punished more, and more severely, than white children, for the same offense. Black and Hispanic adults get punished more, and more severely, than white adults, for the same offense.

Why? Well, racism has something to do with it.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has become, as Doug Gansler so ineloquently put it in the recent debate, a "majority minority county." Whites are a minority now, and minorities have growing power in politics. They've (rightly) made it an issue, IMO, because the schools are insanely segregated, and black and Latino kids are not doing as well statistically. Part of this is SES but part of it is the overall school culture and treatment of minority kids. There are still more suspensions, more discipline, more expulsions of minority children. They can't do much about the SES disparity and impact, but they can do their part to ensure equitable treatment of all kids on their end.

And after watching them testify ad nauseam this year during many budget sessions, I am convinced they are clueless about the issue.

Yeah, this can't possibly be fair. If these kids were actually causing more problems we would expect the trend to continue once they left school and became adults, and that doesn't happen right? And I suppose Asian kids aren't considered a minority? They get expelled at a lower rate than whites; it must be that the school system is biased against whites as well.

Black and Hispanic children get punished more, and more severely, than white children, for the same offense. Black and Hispanic adults get punished more, and more severely, than white adults, for the same offense.

Why? Well, racism has something to do with it.

Yes. Racism does have something to do with it. Like I posted before, they can't do much about the SES disparity. They can only control what's in their own power. And there is stereotyping and inequitable treatment going on. Just has to stop.

[Anonymous]

All children of all races in MCPS are afforded the same education and curriculum. They have accessibility to the same resources and information.

The parents and students bear the responsibility of availing of these opportunities.

Asians are doing well here. At one point Asians were behind Whites in all the metrics but now they are equal to them or surpassed them. If they can do it - other races can do it as well.

No more excuses.

[Anonymous]

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Because you're not paying attention.

I don't think so. I'm trying to decide whether we move or not. JKLM are good schools in DC. I've been talking to people in all 3 systems, googling the local press about the different school system and reading the DC, VA, and MD threads. Achievement gap seems to be at a different level for Montgomery County and I haven't run across the constant mentioning of it for the other areas.

For one thing, DC schools are way more homogeneous than MD schools. A few years ago, I read a statistic that 97% of students in DCPS are black. There aren't significantly sized population groups of different racial / ethnic backgrounds to find a gap between. MCPS is highly diverse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All children of all races in MCPS are afforded the same education and curriculum. They have accessibility to the same resources and information.

The parents and students bear the responsibility of availing of these opportunities.

Asians are doing well here. At one point Asians were behind Whites in all the metrics but now they are equal to them or surpassed them. If they can do it - other races can do it as well.

No more excuses.

Shorter PP: I don't recognize the existence of societal problems.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has become, as Doug Gansler so ineloquently put it in the recent debate, a "majority minority county." Whites are a minority now, and minorities have growing power in politics. They've (rightly) made it an issue, IMO, because the schools are insanely segregated, and black and Latino kids are not doing as well statistically. Part of this is SES but part of it is the overall school culture and treatment of minority kids. There are still more suspensions, more discipline, more expulsions of minority children. They can't do much about the SES disparity and impact, but they can do their part to ensure equitable treatment of all kids on their end.

And after watching them testify ad nauseam this year during many budget sessions, I am convinced they are clueless about the issue.

Yeah, this can't possibly be fair. If these kids were actually causing more problems we would expect the trend to continue once they left school and became adults, and that doesn't happen right? And I suppose Asian kids aren't considered a minority? They get expelled at a lower rate than whites; it must be that the school system is biased against whites as well.

Black and Hispanic children get punished more, and more severely, than white children, for the same offense. Black and Hispanic adults get punished more, and more severely, than white adults, for the same offense.

Why? Well, racism has something to do with it.

Yes. Racism does have something to do with it. Like I posted before, they can't do much about the SES disparity. They can only control what's in their own power. And there is stereotyping and inequitable treatment going on. Just has to stop.

I don't have the statistics in front of me but I think even at high SES schools, Black and Hispanic students don't have the same percentage of kids that perform at the advanced levels on standardized testing. I feel like if you can't figure out what's going on when there is no SES difference, how can you solve the problem when there one?

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has become, as Doug Gansler so ineloquently put it in the recent debate, a "majority minority county." Whites are a minority now, and minorities have growing power in politics. They've (rightly) made it an issue, IMO, because the schools are insanely segregated, and black and Latino kids are not doing as well statistically. Part of this is SES but part of it is the overall school culture and treatment of minority kids. There are still more suspensions, more discipline, more expulsions of minority children. They can't do much about the SES disparity and impact, but they can do their part to ensure equitable treatment of all kids on their end.

And after watching them testify ad nauseam this year during many budget sessions, I am convinced they are clueless about the issue.

Yeah, this can't possibly be fair. If these kids were actually causing more problems we would expect the trend to continue once they left school and became adults, and that doesn't happen right? And I suppose Asian kids aren't considered a minority? They get expelled at a lower rate than whites; it must be that the school system is biased against whites as well.

Black and Hispanic children get punished more, and more severely, than white children, for the same offense. Black and Hispanic adults get punished more, and more severely, than white adults, for the same offense.

Why? Well, racism has something to do with it.

Yes. Racism does have something to do with it. Like I posted before, they can't do much about the SES disparity. They can only control what's in their own power. And there is stereotyping and inequitable treatment going on. Just has to stop.

I don't have the statistics in front of me but I think even at high SES schools, Black and Hispanic students don't have the same percentage of kids that perform at the advanced levels on standardized testing. I feel like if you can't figure out what's going on when there is no SES difference, how can you solve the problem when there one?

The AA children of families with a parent who has a graduate degree score worse on the SAT than white children of parents with a HS education or less. AA children from families making more than 200K score the same as white children from families making less than 20K.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has become, as Doug Gansler so ineloquently put it in the recent debate, a "majority minority county." Whites are a minority now, and minorities have growing power in politics. They've (rightly) made it an issue, IMO, because the schools are insanely segregated, and black and Latino kids are not doing as well statistically. Part of this is SES but part of it is the overall school culture and treatment of minority kids. There are still more suspensions, more discipline, more expulsions of minority children. They can't do much about the SES disparity and impact, but they can do their part to ensure equitable treatment of all kids on their end.

And after watching them testify ad nauseam this year during many budget sessions, I am convinced they are clueless about the issue.

Yeah, this can't possibly be fair. If these kids were actually causing more problems we would expect the trend to continue once they left school and became adults, and that doesn't happen right? And I suppose Asian kids aren't considered a minority? They get expelled at a lower rate than whites; it must be that the school system is biased against whites as well.

Black and Hispanic children get punished more, and more severely, than white children, for the same offense. Black and Hispanic adults get punished more, and more severely, than white adults, for the same offense.

Why? Well, racism has something to do with it.

Yes. Racism does have something to do with it. Like I posted before, they can't do much about the SES disparity. They can only control what's in their own power. And there is stereotyping and inequitable treatment going on. Just has to stop.

I don't have the statistics in front of me but I think even at high SES schools, Black and Hispanic students don't have the same percentage of kids that perform at the advanced levels on standardized testing. I feel like if you can't figure out what's going on when there is no SES difference, how can you solve the problem when there one?

The AA children of families with a parent who has a graduate degree score worse on the SAT than white children of parents with a HS education or less. AA children from families making more than 200K score the same as white children from families making less than 20K.

I think you will find that recent African immigrants score a lot higher on test scores than AA. That is largely due to culture and the "immigrant" mentality, which is the same as the Asian culture. Asians as a whole are probably the most recent immigrant group. The Asian population didn't really start to grow rapidly until the 80's, 90's. A lot of the African culture is very conservative and value education as well.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has become, as Doug Gansler so ineloquently put it in the recent debate, a "majority minority county." Whites are a minority now, and minorities have growing power in politics. They've (rightly) made it an issue, IMO, because the schools are insanely segregated, and black and Latino kids are not doing as well statistically. Part of this is SES but part of it is the overall school culture and treatment of minority kids. There are still more suspensions, more discipline, more expulsions of minority children. They can't do much about the SES disparity and impact, but they can do their part to ensure equitable treatment of all kids on their end.

And after watching them testify ad nauseam this year during many budget sessions, I am convinced they are clueless about the issue.

Yeah, this can't possibly be fair. If these kids were actually causing more problems we would expect the trend to continue once they left school and became adults, and that doesn't happen right? And I suppose Asian kids aren't considered a minority? They get expelled at a lower rate than whites; it must be that the school system is biased against whites as well.

Black and Hispanic children get punished more, and more severely, than white children, for the same offense. Black and Hispanic adults get punished more, and more severely, than white adults, for the same offense.

Why? Well, racism has something to do with it.

Yes. Racism does have something to do with it. Like I posted before, they can't do much about the SES disparity. They can only control what's in their own power. And there is stereotyping and inequitable treatment going on. Just has to stop.

I don't have the statistics in front of me but I think even at high SES schools, Black and Hispanic students don't have the same percentage of kids that perform at the advanced levels on standardized testing. I feel like if you can't figure out what's going on when there is no SES difference, how can you solve the problem when there one?

The AA children of families with a parent who has a graduate degree score worse on the SAT than white children of parents with a HS education or less. AA children from families making more than 200K score the same as white children from families making less than 20K.

I think you will find that recent African immigrants score a lot higher on test scores than AA. That is largely due to culture and the "immigrant" mentality, which is the same as the Asian culture. Asians as a whole are probably the most recent immigrant group. The Asian population didn't really start to grow rapidly until the 80's, 90's. A lot of the African culture is very conservative and value education as well.

I think it's mostly due to the fact that African immigrants are the very cream of the crop of the countries they come from; they are the most highly educated immigrant group around.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has become, as Doug Gansler so ineloquently put it in the recent debate, a "majority minority county." Whites are a minority now, and minorities have growing power in politics. They've (rightly) made it an issue, IMO, because the schools are insanely segregated, and black and Latino kids are not doing as well statistically. Part of this is SES but part of it is the overall school culture and treatment of minority kids. There are still more suspensions, more discipline, more expulsions of minority children. They can't do much about the SES disparity and impact, but they can do their part to ensure equitable treatment of all kids on their end.

And after watching them testify ad nauseam this year during many budget sessions, I am convinced they are clueless about the issue.

Yeah, this can't possibly be fair. If these kids were actually causing more problems we would expect the trend to continue once they left school and became adults, and that doesn't happen right? And I suppose Asian kids aren't considered a minority? They get expelled at a lower rate than whites; it must be that the school system is biased against whites as well.

Black and Hispanic children get punished more, and more severely, than white children, for the same offense. Black and Hispanic adults get punished more, and more severely, than white adults, for the same offense.

Why? Well, racism has something to do with it.

Yes. Racism does have something to do with it. Like I posted before, they can't do much about the SES disparity. They can only control what's in their own power. And there is stereotyping and inequitable treatment going on. Just has to stop.

I don't have the statistics in front of me but I think even at high SES schools, Black and Hispanic students don't have the same percentage of kids that perform at the advanced levels on standardized testing. I feel like if you can't figure out what's going on when there is no SES difference, how can you solve the problem when there one?

The AA children of families with a parent who has a graduate degree score worse on the SAT than white children of parents with a HS education or less. AA children from families making more than 200K score the same as white children from families making less than 20K.

I think you will find that recent African immigrants score a lot higher on test scores than AA. That is largely due to culture and the "immigrant" mentality, which is the same as the Asian culture. Asians as a whole are probably the most recent immigrant group. The Asian population didn't really start to grow rapidly until the 80's, 90's. A lot of the African culture is very conservative and value education as well.

..which another poster stated about recent Asian immigrants - not all, but a lot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All children of all races in MCPS are afforded the same education and curriculum. They have accessibility to the same resources and information.

The parents and students bear the responsibility of availing of these opportunities.

Asians are doing well here. At one point Asians were behind Whites in all the metrics but now they are equal to them or surpassed them. If they can do it - other races can do it as well.

No more excuses.

Shorter PP: I don't recognize the existence of societal problems.

Asians students have nothing to do with the existence of societal problems that prevent other races from achieving. Maybe Whites should carry the historical burden of the inequalities and try ro remedy them. Indians come from a poor third world country that was robbed blind by Whites, and yet they are doing well here when they have been given the opportunity.

There is no reason that Asians should lower their own standards for this. Asian students are achieving and excelling, They are model students. Nothing more should be expected from them.

A top down approach to fix achievement gap is in place. If the individual family dynamics and racial culture is preventing students from other races from achieving, what can Asian students do?

Asian students have demonstrated that the bar can be set high and still be achievable - they do not need to do anything more!

[Anonymous]

^^^Hey look, Asians can be racists too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^Hey look, Asians can be racists too!

If you were more educated, you would have realized that this is not racism. I am just refusing to apologize for Asian achievement in academics, that has been earned through hard work and sweat! We are also victims of racism when we are targeted negatively for our positive achievements.


We do not automatically become racists when we refuse to accept responsibility for societal inequalities that was a result of White racism in this country. Clean up your own damn mess! (Or maybe you are not used to cleaning up your mess!)