Would you appeal?

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Anonymous wrote:But we don't. There are level 2 and level 3 services for those kids in-between and additional support for children who are struggling. Why is this such an issue? Is it the lack of communication whether a child is receiving these services?

Isn't level 3 only one hour per week?

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Anonymous wrote:OP those scores seem high enough to me. Gen ed can be very, very slow.

Well, as long as you're happy with the scores.

This is the kind of BS that makes we wish they offered AAP in every school and would just be done with it. Yes, Gen. Ed can move slowly at times, so can AAP, as my kid has complained. What would be nice would be to see a program that challenges every kid when they need it. A lot more kids can handle advanced work and it often varies by subject. How sad that we have an all or nothing system that still labels kids not services. Most kids should be able to get what they need in their base school. The fact that gifted kids and some of those who are slightly advanced are in a school together and everyone else falls into a big pot called Gen. Ed. is unsustainable and inequitable.

Unfortunately not happening any time soon. In the meantime, with scores like OPs it might be best to appeal and leave the reworking of the school system for another time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only if your WISC is substantially higher than the current scores. I don't mean to be snarky -- it's just that those scores are perfectly fine for a regular school. Yeah! you have a very capable kid. You have to remember that your child will be in a class with kids who scored 30 points higher than yours -- having seen one of my children with scores similar to yours and one who was substantially higher in the quant and NNAT tests, I do see a difference in the way that they are able to handle logical challenges and math concepts. I think the scores are valid reflections of those differences. BUT, if your child takes the WISC and does really well -- then by all means, use it! Just go into it with eyes wide open -- the score may be consistent with what you have already seen in the scores.

Do you have one in AAP and one not? Working through this now in my family.

We are thinking of putting the younger in AAP (at a different school) while the older will stay at base school. The older has adv. math (which is ironic b/c that is her worst subject). I have asked her on several occassions if she would like to go to a school with more challenges and her personality is such that she does not want it-- and at her age (which is 4th grade), I give more weight to what her ambitions are. Could she handle AAP -- probably, since she is hanging in there with Adv. Math. But, she does not relish a challenge. That's a big difference with younger child. He is more comfortable with things he doesn't know how to do right away. Younger just got the eligibility letter. We are not decided on whether to send him, but our decision has nothing to do with his older sibling staying at the base school. We are trying to figure out whatever is right for each kid individually. I do not believe older child will feel inferior by staying at the base school. I think she is fine with the level of challenge and the effort required of her there. Younger child is not asking for more challenges and would prefer to stay with what he knows (but I don't give as much weight to his opinion b/c of his age and that he doesn't really know what AAP is).

I don't think any child is "less" of a person or less likely to succeed in life if he doesn't go to AAP. So, I am not concerned about one going while the other stays. Success and happiness are marathons, not sprints.

Thank you for your response. I found it insightful.

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Anonymous wrote:But we don't. There are level 2 and level 3 services for those kids in-between and additional support for children who are struggling. Why is this such an issue? Is it the lack of communication whether a child is receiving these services?

Isn't level 3 only one hour per week?

It differs from school to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But we don't. There are level 2 and level 3 services for those kids in-between and additional support for children who are struggling. Why is this such an issue? Is it the lack of communication whether a child is receiving these services?

There is such an issue because of the huge disparity between level 2/3 and level IV.

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Anonymous wrote:I would only appeal with a WISC. BTDT and got in with WISC. Dr. Diana Dahlgren in Frfx City

Does Dr. Dahlgren ever produce a WISC that is not AAP-worthy? It's telling that so many appealing parents bring their kids to her. Seems more than a tad fishy.

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Anonymous wrote:OP those scores seem high enough to me. Gen ed can be very, very slow.

Well, as long as you're happy with the scores.

This is the kind of BS that makes we wish they offered AAP in every school and would just be done with it. Yes, Gen. Ed can move slowly at times, so can AAP, as my kid has complained. What would be nice would be to see a program that challenges every kid when they need it. A lot more kids can handle advanced work and it often varies by subject. How sad that we have an all or nothing system that still labels kids not services. Most kids should be able to get what they need in their base school. The fact that gifted kids and some of those who are slightly advanced are in a school together and everyone else falls into a big pot called Gen. Ed. is unsustainable and inequitable.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would only appeal with a WISC. BTDT and got in with WISC. Dr. Diana Dahlgren in Frfx City

Does Dr. Dahlgren ever produce a WISC that is not AAP-worthy? It's telling that so many appealing parents bring their kids to her. Seems more than a tad fishy.

no, I think this is just shilling for a particular paid tester that happens on these AAP threads every year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP those scores seem high enough to me. Gen ed can be very, very slow.

Well, as long as you're happy with the scores.

This is the kind of BS that makes we wish they offered AAP in every school and would just be done with it. Yes, Gen. Ed can move slowly at times, so can AAP, as my kid has complained. What would be nice would be to see a program that challenges every kid when they need it. A lot more kids can handle advanced work and it often varies by subject. How sad that we have an all or nothing system that still labels kids not services. Most kids should be able to get what they need in their base school. The fact that gifted kids and some of those who are slightly advanced are in a school together and everyone else falls into a big pot called Gen. Ed. is unsustainable and inequitable.

Unfortunately not happening any time soon. In the meantime, with scores like OPs it might be best to appeal and leave the reworking of the school system for another time.

Yes. Always remember that getting what you can for YOUR kid is the priority regardless of whether others are screwed. Sad that so many in this area seem to hold this attitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our kid tested into the pool but we didn't supply any work samples. Didn't think we needed to. Test scores are below. Worth appealing with work samples?

cogat verbal 134
cogat quant 122
cogat nonverbal 119
NNAT 114
GBRS 10

What convinced you that no work samples were needed? Those numbers are mostly below the cutoff and barely in pool. Your child's teacher did provide samples from school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP those scores seem high enough to me. Gen ed can be very, very slow.

Not if the child in gen ed qualifies for the accelerated classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP those scores seem high enough to me. Gen ed can be very, very slow.

Not if the child in gen ed qualifies for the accelerated classes.

+100
And many of them do.

[Anonymous]

I would say don't appeal unless you feel your child really needs the program. DD had scores roughly the same as the ones you listed, we did supply work samples, she was not accepted. Not going to bother appealing as I think she'll be fine where she is.

FWIW, I spoke to our school's AART during the application process and she told me that the number of applications increased drastically over last year for FCPS as a whole...seemed to imply that "borderline" kids would have a harder time getting in

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP those scores seem high enough to me. Gen ed can be very, very slow.

Well, as long as you're happy with the scores.

This is the kind of BS that makes we wish they offered AAP in every school and would just be done with it. Yes, Gen. Ed can move slowly at times, so can AAP, as my kid has complained. What would be nice would be to see a program that challenges every kid when they need it. A lot more kids can handle advanced work and it often varies by subject. How sad that we have an all or nothing system that still labels kids not services. Most kids should be able to get what they need in their base school. The fact that gifted kids and some of those who are slightly advanced are in a school together and everyone else falls into a big pot called Gen. Ed. is unsustainable and inequitable.

Even many children in AAP centers are not advanced across the board yet they are being forced to be in advanced classes because it is an all or nothing system. It is a shame that one of the best school systems can't clean up their mess. Yes FCPS certainly needs to make a BIG changes in their process of providing advanced work across all schools. And AAP center parents do even start with the local level services crap - because that is just what it is crap!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would only appeal with a WISC. BTDT and got in with WISC. Dr. Diana Dahlgren in Frfx City

Does Dr. Dahlgren ever produce a WISC that is not AAP-worthy? It's telling that so many appealing parents bring their kids to her. Seems more than a tad fishy.

Of course she does. You sound stupid!