The UN slams the Catholic Church on sex abuse

[Anonymous]

Absolutely -- letting them know is essential. And keeping up the church because some of what is does is good, does not hold water

The same could be said of slavery.


Loyal Catholics could move right back into the churches once the Vatican cleaned up its act. It's not like other religions are lined up to buy them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely -- letting them know is essential. And keeping up the church because some of what is DONE is good, does not hold water

The same could be said of slavery.


Loyal Catholics could move right back into the churches once the Vatican cleaned up its act. It's not like other religions are lined up to buy them.

see correction above

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the part about dealing with the abusers. But in the last paragraph, the UN has no place telling the church where to stand on homosexual acts, abortion, and contraception. Otherwise I would think the UN might want to look into certain things forbidden/allowed by Islamic countries.

Yeah, they wouldn't even go there.

+1000 Exactly.

What a morally bankrupt institution the UN has become. And no, I'm not Catholic.

if you think the UN is morally bankrupt, I can't imagine what you think the Catholic church is.

The UN is morally bankrupt?

But religious institutions that hide child rapists (in the name of God, of course) are not . . .

You're one fry short of a Happy Meal, babe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I fully agree that Catholics should shout it from the highest rooftops, and advocate with and their churches, regarding sexual abuse. I would not however advise that Catholics withhold all funding from the church. The church uses funding for parish activities, 99% of which has absolutely nothing to do with the abhorrent sexual abuses. Why not try to become part of the solution by becoming active with in your church, while also supporting, financially and with your time, the churches beneficial activities? Do we really want the conduct of people who went against the core teachings of the church, abuse to children, or covered it up, to be the cause of the collapse of the entire church? Instead, get involved, become part of your parishes actions to influence the larger organization, and practice your religion in a way that you feel is appropriate. I hope your church advocate fixing the issues of sexual abuse, and move on with its core mission.

If you do decide not to fund your church, but still too attended, please let you were parish know why you are doing so. It doesn't send a message unless the church knows people aren't funding their activities due to the abuse, as opposed to not funding the church for other reasons or due to simple neglect. In short, I don't see how withholding money from weekly collections inspires the church to address abuse when it has no idea why you and others may not be contributing funds. If you are going to speak with your pocketbook, make sure your message is heard!

How much in assets does the Vatican have? Maybe they could have a yard sale.

[Anonymous]

UN condemns Iran Human rights record.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/24/iran-human-rights-record-condemned-un

UN condemns Syria.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/18/us-rights-un-idUSBRE9BH1G720131218

And at least they are talking about Saudi Arabia:
http://www.unwatch.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=bdKKISNqEmG&b=1316871&ct=13371589


Perhaps since there is no overarching official authority in Islam, it is not possible for the UN to indict such an institution?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I fully agree that Catholics should shout it from the highest rooftops, and advocate with and their churches, regarding sexual abuse. I would not however advise that Catholics withhold all funding from the church. The church uses funding for parish activities, 99% of which has absolutely nothing to do with the abhorrent sexual abuses. Why not try to become part of the solution by becoming active with in your church, while also supporting, financially and with your time, the churches beneficial activities? Do we really want the conduct of people who went against the core teachings of the church, abuse to children, or covered it up, to be the cause of the collapse of the entire church? Instead, get involved, become part of your parishes actions to influence the larger organization, and practice your religion in a way that you feel is appropriate. I hope your church advocate fixing the issues of sexual abuse, and move on with its core mission.

If you do decide not to fund your church, but still too attended, please let you were parish know why you are doing so. It doesn't send a message unless the church knows people aren't funding their activities due to the abuse, as opposed to not funding the church for other reasons or due to simple neglect. In short, I don't see how withholding money from weekly collections inspires the church to address abuse when it has no idea why you and others may not be contributing funds. If you are going to speak with your pocketbook, make sure your message is heard!

+1 An enormous amount of the money donated goes to providing shelter, food, clothing, etc for people living in poverty. I can't think of many organizations that have lobbied as long, as aggressively, or as consistently on poverty issues as Catholic Charities. Withholding all money basically starves these organizations of their funding, which in turn would literally starve lots of the poorest among us. So, if you are going to refuse to donate to the church, give that money instead to a local food or homeless shelter in your area, because the charity is desperately needed.

[Anonymous]

It would help to decide whether to financially boycott the Church if they would be more transparent about their finances.

http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

[Anonymous]

There are lots of worthy charities that don't siphon money off to child abusers.

Parishioners could even keep a fund for their parish priests salaries, to disperse once the priests denounced the bad practices o the Church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
..... I can't think of many organizations that have lobbied as long, as aggressively, or as consistently on poverty issues as Catholic Charities. Withholding all money basically starves these organizations of their funding, which in turn would literally starve lots of the poorest among us. So, if you are going to refuse to donate to the church, give that money instead to a local food or homeless shelter in your area, because the charity is desperately needed.

Catholic charities are causing problems, not solving them.
They have a monopoly on a lot of health clinics in third world countries and especially South America, and if the clinics were to hand out contraceptives, they are closed. People in poor countries need access to contraceptives. Catholic church is preventing access to this through their policy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
..... I can't think of many organizations that have lobbied as long, as aggressively, or as consistently on poverty issues as Catholic Charities. Withholding all money basically starves these organizations of their funding, which in turn would literally starve lots of the poorest among us. So, if you are going to refuse to donate to the church, give that money instead to a local food or homeless shelter in your area, because the charity is desperately needed.

Catholic charities are causing problems, not solving them.
They have a monopoly on a lot of health clinics in third world countries and especially South America, and if the clinics were to hand out contraceptives, they are closed. People in poor countries need access to contraceptives. Catholic church is preventing access to this through their policy

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All religions prey on the poor.

They entice them to join by providing "community," and then they brainwash them.

It's sick.

Why not offer to help - w/o bringing in a god and some doctrine? But the goal is to increase numbers, and they'll do it in any way possible. Catholic church is one of the largest religions, by the way. Christians (the global term) make up about 1/3 of all religions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely -- letting them know is essential. And keeping up the church because some of what is does is good, does not hold water

The same could be said of slavery.


Loyal Catholics could move right back into the churches once the Vatican cleaned up its act. It's not like other religions are lined up to buy them.

Let's at least be logical, this comparison is apples and oranges.

massive programs for the poor combined with hiding sex abuse ==//== masters live in luxury combined with/as a result of slavery

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

All religions prey on the poor.

They entice them to join by providing "community," and then they brainwash them.

It's sick.

Why not offer to help - w/o bringing in a god and some doctrine? But the goal is to increase numbers, and they'll do it in any way possible. Catholic church is one of the largest religions, by the way. Christians (the global term) make up about 1/3 of all religions.

I'm so tired of bad logic and sweeping generalizations that are wrong when you examine them (I'm Episcopalian, BTW).

You admit yourself that religions offer something to the poor, community. They also offer a fellowship for faith, which you discount completely. Neither of these are quantifiable, i.e. you can't put a $$$ figure on them, and you use this to say they are basically "worthless." That's bad logic.

Plus, most religions, especially the Catholic Church, do ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF GOOD for the poor. You simply can't deny this (although you try to ignore it, but that amounts to a lie by ommission).

[Anonymous]

Catholic church does not do as much as it could for the poor. Most of the time the poor who receive help are active members of the church, other times the poor members of the church are pressured to give more and more money to the church.
I know one old lady who eventually realized that she would get that 'pie in the sky' regardless of how much money she threw on the altar

but it took her time to realize that
I still know Christians who tithe

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

All religions prey on the poor.

They entice them to join by providing "community," and then they brainwash them.

It's sick.

Why not offer to help - w/o bringing in a god and some doctrine? But the goal is to increase numbers, and they'll do it in any way possible. Catholic church is one of the largest religions, by the way. Christians (the global term) make up about 1/3 of all religions.

I'm so tired of bad logic and sweeping generalizations that are wrong when you examine them (I'm Episcopalian, BTW).

You admit yourself that religions offer something to the poor, community. They also offer a fellowship for faith, which you discount completely. Neither of these are quantifiable, i.e. you can't put a $$$ figure on them, and you use this to say they are basically "worthless." That's bad logic.

Plus, most religions, especially the Catholic Church, do ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF GOOD for the poor. You simply can't deny this (although you try to ignore it, but that amounts to a lie by ommission).

Yes - but if you continued to read my post (or - more importantly - understand it), I said that HELP can be offered w/o luring people into a faith.

You can't see that?

So - in order to HELP the poor - they must first embrace religion. "Here's a bible. Come to this service. Join our youth group. Oh - no birth control! Keep having kids b/c Jesus loves babies!"

It's not completely SELFLESS. It's selfish. Kind, selfless people who want to give back don't force their faith on others.

You're just too stupid to see that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

All religions prey on the poor.

They entice them to join by providing "community," and then they brainwash them.

It's sick.

Why not offer to help - w/o bringing in a god and some doctrine? But the goal is to increase numbers, and they'll do it in any way possible. Catholic church is one of the largest religions, by the way. Christians (the global term) make up about 1/3 of all religions.

I'm so tired of bad logic and sweeping generalizations that are wrong when you examine them (I'm Episcopalian, BTW).

You admit yourself that religions offer something to the poor, community. They also offer a fellowship for faith, which you discount completely. Neither of these are quantifiable, i.e. you can't put a $$$ figure on them, and you use this to say they are basically "worthless." That's bad logic.

Plus, most religions, especially the Catholic Church, do ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF GOOD for the poor. You simply can't deny this (although you try to ignore it, but that amounts to a lie by ommission).

Yes - but if you continued to read my post (or - more importantly - understand it), I said that HELP can be offered w/o luring people into a faith.

You can't see that?

So - in order to HELP the poor - they must first embrace religion. "Here's a bible. Come to this service. Join our youth group. Oh - no birth control! Keep having kids b/c Jesus loves babies!"

It's not completely SELFLESS. It's selfish. Kind, selfless people who want to give back don't force their faith on others.

You're just too stupid to see that.

Are you the troll from the MoCo thread? You write and use logic like that piece of work.