Center vs. LLIV services school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That is hilarious, PP! I doubt the cluster 2 students were creating the cut throat atmosphere at Haycock.

I don't think the atmosphere now is "cut-throat," but I do think it may get more relaxed if the percentage of AAP kids continues to drop, as it has this year (from 46% last year to 39%), and the acrimony of the redistricting to Lemon Road dissipates. That is all.

How will it continue to drop? It has already dropped because the Cluster 2 kids are gone. The drop has already happened. The only kids left to go are a few 6th graders. The school is where it's going to be now -- unless your planning to kick out the other feeder schools as well.

Yes, there are still grandfathered 6th graders from Cluster 2 this year. Next year, they'll be gone, so the AAP numbers as a percentage of the total enrollment may decline further, unless more in-boundary kids place into AAP to take their place. That will be a positive development for the school environment IMO.

[Anonymous]

25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

Cue the violins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

Cue the violins.

Nice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

The PP was basically saying a smaller AAP program may change the dynamics. It wasn't a slam against Cluster II kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

The PP was basically saying a smaller AAP program may change the dynamics. It wasn't a slam against Cluster II kids.

The point is that change basically already happened. It's done, except for a few kids and those 25 kids leaving is not really going to change the dynamic. All of the kids that are going to be there next year are already in grades for which the change has happened (i.e. so the ration of Non-AAP:AAP has already changed). The ones who it would actually effect the ratio for (the sixth graders) won't have that effect because they will graduate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

The PP was basically saying a smaller AAP program may change the dynamics. It wasn't a slam against Cluster II kids.

The point is that change basically already happened. It's done, except for a few kids and those 25 kids leaving is not really going to change the dynamic. All of the kids that are going to be there next year are already in grades for which the change has happened (i.e. so the ration of Non-AAP:AAP has already changed). The ones who it would actually effect the ratio for (the sixth graders) won't have that effect because they will graduate.

Aren't those kids going to end up at Kilmer vice LMS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

The PP was basically saying a smaller AAP program may change the dynamics. It wasn't a slam against Cluster II kids.

The point is that change basically already happened. It's done, except for a few kids and those 25 kids leaving is not really going to change the dynamic. All of the kids that are going to be there next year are already in grades for which the change has happened (i.e. so the ration of Non-AAP:AAP has already changed). The ones who it would actually effect the ratio for (the sixth graders) won't have that effect because they will graduate.

It's not the departing kids that will impact the dynamic, but instead some of the departing parents, some of whom are still fighting old battles. It will be better when they've moved on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

The PP was basically saying a smaller AAP program may change the dynamics. It wasn't a slam against Cluster II kids.

The point is that change basically already happened. It's done, except for a few kids and those 25 kids leaving is not really going to change the dynamic. All of the kids that are going to be there next year are already in grades for which the change has happened (i.e. so the ration of Non-AAP:AAP has already changed). The ones who it would actually effect the ratio for (the sixth graders) won't have that effect because they will graduate.

It's not the departing kids that will impact the dynamic, but instead some of the departing parents, some of whom are still fighting old battles. It will be better when they've moved on.

Trust me. The cluster 2 parents are looking forward to it, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

The PP was basically saying a smaller AAP program may change the dynamics. It wasn't a slam against Cluster II kids.

The point is that change basically already happened. It's done, except for a few kids and those 25 kids leaving is not really going to change the dynamic. All of the kids that are going to be there next year are already in grades for which the change has happened (i.e. so the ration of Non-AAP:AAP has already changed). The ones who it would actually effect the ratio for (the sixth graders) won't have that effect because they will graduate.

It's not the departing kids that will impact the dynamic, but instead some of the departing parents, some of whom are still fighting old battles. It will be better when they've moved on.

Trust me. The cluster 2 parents are looking forward to it, too.

Great. When it was suggested previously that both Cluster 1 and Cluster 2 parents might be happier with a dedicated AAP center in Cluster 2, there was a lot of anxiety and resistance from some parents in Cluster 2. It's good to know everyone agrees it's working out for the best. That should improve the atmosphere not just at Haycock, but also at Lemon Road, where non-AAP heard Cluster 2 AAP parents asking pointed questions not long ago about whether the school would be good enough for their kids. There's no point in pretending there haven't been hard feelings that need time to mend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

The PP was basically saying a smaller AAP program may change the dynamics. It wasn't a slam against Cluster II kids.

The point is that change basically already happened. It's done, except for a few kids and those 25 kids leaving is not really going to change the dynamic. All of the kids that are going to be there next year are already in grades for which the change has happened (i.e. so the ration of Non-AAP:AAP has already changed). The ones who it would actually effect the ratio for (the sixth graders) won't have that effect because they will graduate.

It's not the departing kids that will impact the dynamic, but instead some of the departing parents, some of whom are still fighting old battles. It will be better when they've moved on.

Trust me. The cluster 2 parents are looking forward to it, too.

Great. When it was suggested previously that both Cluster 1 and Cluster 2 parents might be happier with a dedicated AAP center in Cluster 2, there was a lot of anxiety and resistance from some parents in Cluster 2. It's good to know everyone agrees it's working out for the best. That should improve the atmosphere not just at Haycock, but also at Lemon Road, where non-AAP heard Cluster 2 AAP parents asking pointed questions not long ago about whether the school would be good enough for their kids. There's no point in pretending there haven't been hard feelings that need time to mend.

There are hard feelings, but much of that will be gone when the 6th graders leave. I think a lot of the 6th grade families still feel very unwelcome and will be happy when their kids graduate. They know you wanted them to leave.

The resistance was that our kids were settled at Haycock and had friends there. Many of us did not want our child to move to a third (or fourth for some kids) elementary school. It was very ugly last year, though, and I know a lot of the 3rd and 4th parents were happy to leave after the way it went down, but their kids were very sad to leave their friends. There were a lot of tears. Like it or not, many children were very unhappy and the beginning of school was filled with a lot of anxiety for them.

Please do not create drama between the new Lemon Road families and the old ones. Let's be accurate. The concern last year was not that Lemon Road as a school wouldn't be good enough. It was whether FCPS could set up an equivalent center at Lemon Road (or any other place a new center would have gone -- it was not Lemon Road specific) so the children were getting the same quality of education. There were also questions as to whether a smaller center could offer the things that a larger center can (i.e. the very advanced math, the math competitions, etc.). The Lemon Road families are wonderful and many of the Cluster 2 families are very happy with the school community and the other families. Please don't sow your hate and nastiness at other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25 kids out of 905 is about 2%. Not a huge difference in the "atmosphere" of the school, but whatever. keep up the fantasy. Go ahead and make those last few Cluster 2 kids feel unwelcome.

The PP was basically saying a smaller AAP program may change the dynamics. It wasn't a slam against Cluster II kids.

The point is that change basically already happened. It's done, except for a few kids and those 25 kids leaving is not really going to change the dynamic. All of the kids that are going to be there next year are already in grades for which the change has happened (i.e. so the ration of Non-AAP:AAP has already changed). The ones who it would actually effect the ratio for (the sixth graders) won't have that effect because they will graduate.

It's not the departing kids that will impact the dynamic, but instead some of the departing parents, some of whom are still fighting old battles. It will be better when they've moved on.

Trust me. The cluster 2 parents are looking forward to it, too.

Great. When it was suggested previously that both Cluster 1 and Cluster 2 parents might be happier with a dedicated AAP center in Cluster 2, there was a lot of anxiety and resistance from some parents in Cluster 2. It's good to know everyone agrees it's working out for the best. That should improve the atmosphere not just at Haycock, but also at Lemon Road, where non-AAP heard Cluster 2 AAP parents asking pointed questions not long ago about whether the school would be good enough for their kids. There's no point in pretending there haven't been hard feelings that need time to mend.

There are hard feelings, but much of that will be gone when the 6th graders leave. I think a lot of the 6th grade families still feel very unwelcome and will be happy when their kids graduate. They know you wanted them to leave.

The resistance was that our kids were settled at Haycock and had friends there. Many of us did not want our child to move to a third (or fourth for some kids) elementary school. It was very ugly last year, though, and I know a lot of the 3rd and 4th parents were happy to leave after the way it went down, but their kids were very sad to leave their friends. There were a lot of tears. Like it or not, many children were very unhappy and the beginning of school was filled with a lot of anxiety for them.

Please do not create drama between the new Lemon Road families and the old ones. Let's be accurate. The concern last year was not that Lemon Road as a school wouldn't be good enough. It was whether FCPS could set up an equivalent center at Lemon Road (or any other place a new center would have gone -- it was not Lemon Road specific) so the children were getting the same quality of education. There were also questions as to whether a smaller center could offer the things that a larger center can (i.e. the very advanced math, the math competitions, etc.). The Lemon Road families are wonderful and many of the Cluster 2 families are very happy with the school community and the other families. Please don't sow your hate and nastiness at other schools.

Let's be clear here. Most of the hate and nastiness is coming from a handful of Cluster 2 parents, who reacted to what was a logistical problem (too many students trying to attend a school with finite space) by turning it into something very personal instead. It was unnecessary, it was wrong, and it still accounts for the majority of the venom directed at Haycock parents on this forum.

As for Lemon Road, I wish the new families the best there, but if you want to be accurate you need to acknowledge that some Cluster 2 families getting moved to Lemon Road irriated current Lemon Road families by stating, point blank, that under no circumstances should their AAP kids be put in classes with non-AAP kids at the school. You may call that "getting the same quality of education" as they were receiving at Haycock, but I've heard first-hand from several Lemon Road parents that some were deeply offended at the time. If they've been "wonderful," it's in spite of, not because of, what some of you brought to the table.

[Anonymous]

If the cluster two kids weren't sent to Lemon Road, Haycock would have over 1000 students this year and the renovation will start soon. I can't believe some cluster two parents are STILL playing the victim card. Haycock and Lemon Road are both good. No one cares if you got served lobster when you thought you ordered steak!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the cluster two kids weren't sent to Lemon Road, Haycock would have over 1000 students this year and the renovation will start soon. I can't believe some cluster two parents are STILL playing the victim card. Haycock and Lemon Road are both good. No one cares if you got served lobster when you thought you ordered steak!

What I can't believe is that you guys call this a "logistical problem." I'm sorry my child and my child's feelings get in the way of "logistics" at Haycock. Can't you ever just acknowledge that it sucked for our kids to have to leave their friends and start all over a a third or fourth elementary school. A little understanding would have gone a long way. But I guess that's too much to ask. I guess it's just to hard for some people to be gracious winners.

[Anonymous]

Why are you Haycock people still fighting about things?

Find something else to talk about please.