Gen Ed to AAP mid year?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I have the facts right. Anyone ever heard of this?

Sure, it has happened at our school (a center) as well. It's principal placement. Just as a local level vi has gen Ed kids, so does a center. At times, they may backfill a class with gen Ed kids or principal place them.

Wrong. A principal does not have the option of "pupil placing" non-eligible students into the AAP classes. That is why some centers (for example, Sunrise Valley) have "blended" AAP classes (4th and 5th grade together). They can't add students to make a full class, so they have to mix the grades together.

Well, it has happened at our center. More than once. I spoke with a teacher about as well who said our principal was very open to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have heard of some general ed students receiving advanced mathematics in the AAP Center class. But the students are receiving advanced math only, and it usually occurs when the number of students needing these services is rather small (and therefore not enough for their own class).

DC is a general education student at a center school. We asked about LLIII for math. The AART told us that they would like to do compacted math for a whole class. If they didn't have enough students for a class, then students who needed services would go to an AAP class for math.

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1. Shouldn't ALL local level 3 e getting similar services? Seems not right to only say Johnny gets to go to the AAP center for Math, but Brian, you're fine with only 1 hour a week or every other week. Really? I am assuming that local level 3 kids are those who were in-the-pool and not found eligible for whatever reason, so this really smells fishy to me!
2. Does the principal really have say in placing a kid in full time AAP center classes? We are NOT talking about LLIV, but AAP centers!
3. What kind of documentation is needed for this to happen? Is this a dirty little secret? Why aren't all in-the-pool kids' parents asking for this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have heard of some general ed students receiving advanced mathematics in the AAP Center class. But the students are receiving advanced math only, and it usually occurs when the number of students needing these services is rather small (and therefore not enough for their own class).

DC is a general education student at a center school. We asked about LLIII for math. The AART told us that they would like to do compacted math for a whole class. If they didn't have enough students for a class, then students who needed services would go to an AAP class for math.

Was the math class every day, like it would be in any class or only 1 hour a week?

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Anonymous wrote:1. Shouldn't ALL local level 3 e getting similar services? Seems not right to only say Johnny gets to go to the AAP center for Math, but Brian, you're fine with only 1 hour a week or every other week. Really? I am assuming that local level 3 kids are those who were in-the-pool and not found eligible for whatever reason, so this really smells fishy to me!
2. Does the principal really have say in placing a kid in full time AAP center classes? We are NOT talking about LLIV, but AAP centers!
3. What kind of documentation is needed for this to happen? Is this a dirty little secret? Why aren't all in-the-pool kids' parents asking for this?

The answer to #1 and #2 is site-based management. Yes, there should be consistency from school to school, including from AAP Center to AAP Center AND Level II and Level III services from school to school. But there isn't.

The answer to #3 is to complete a School-Based Services (Level II-III) Referral Form -- but note the answer to #1 and #2 above:

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/packet/Fillable_AAPSchool-BasedServicesReferralForm.pdf

[Anonymous]

Thanks for your reply - very informative and helpful. Is the school board working to mainstream the lack of consistency across the schools? Seems very odd that there isn't just one way to do things and thus ensuring that all kids, regardless of where one resides, actually receive a similar educational experience. Is this issue on the radar? I really am dumbfounded by this.

[Anonymous]

anyone "brave" enough to list their center school that does this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for your reply - very informative and helpful. Is the school board working to mainstream the lack of consistency across the schools? Seems very odd that there isn't just one way to do things and thus ensuring that all kids, regardless of where one resides, actually receive a similar educational experience. Is this issue on the radar? I really am dumbfounded by this.

I believe some of this may be discussed by the School Board as part of the AAP program review, which is scheduled to be presented next month.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have heard of some general ed students receiving advanced mathematics in the AAP Center class. But the students are receiving advanced math only, and it usually occurs when the number of students needing these services is rather small (and therefore not enough for their own class).

DC is a general education student at a center school. We asked about LLIII for math. The AART told us that they would like to do compacted math for a whole class. If they didn't have enough students for a class, then students who needed services would go to an AAP class for math.

Was the math class every day, like it would be in any class or only 1 hour a week?

Everyday. It is the students regular math class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have heard of some general ed students receiving advanced mathematics in the AAP Center class. But the students are receiving advanced math only, and it usually occurs when the number of students needing these services is rather small (and therefore not enough for their own class).

+1

I have also heard of AAP center principal moving gen Ed kid to AAP for the next year, not mid year, based on SOL scores from more than one year. It must be okay somehow because this school strictly follows rules. It could be that the kid moved to the county after age for aap tests and was never actually found ineligible.

[Anonymous]

Aap test end in 7th grade. What grade are you referring to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for your reply - very informative and helpful. Is the school board working to mainstream the lack of consistency across the schools? Seems very odd that there isn't just one way to do things and thus ensuring that all kids, regardless of where one resides, actually receive a similar educational experience. Is this issue on the radar? I really am dumbfounded by this.

I believe some of this may be discussed by the School Board as part of the AAP program review, which is scheduled to be presented next month.

When is this meeting? Is there an agenda? How does this get on the list? Seems just wrong that some kids are benefitting while others are left behind in Gen. Ed full time. Either one shoe fits all for the LL3 or...this is rather unsettling.

I have a 5th grader in aap and a rising 3rd grader in the appeal process; actually I have 2 in the appeal process as they are twins. Which schools allow LL3 kids to be part of the aap class part time, for a class? Which schools/principals are transferring the LL3 into the aap center full time? I want to know so that I can be prepared, if need be, to advocate for my kids. TiA!

[Anonymous]

AAP tests in the school given to everyone in first and second grade. family did not apply for this. Principal initiated and convinced family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for your reply - very informative and helpful. Is the school board working to mainstream the lack of consistency across the schools? Seems very odd that there isn't just one way to do things and thus ensuring that all kids, regardless of where one resides, actually receive a similar educational experience. Is this issue on the radar? I really am dumbfounded by this.

I believe some of this may be discussed by the School Board as part of the AAP program review, which is scheduled to be presented next month.

When is this meeting? Is there an agenda? How does this get on the list? Seems just wrong that some kids are benefitting while others are left behind in Gen. Ed full time. Either one shoe fits all for the LL3 or...this is rather unsettling.

I have a 5th grader in aap and a rising 3rd grader in the appeal process; actually I have 2 in the appeal process as they are twins. Which schools allow LL3 kids to be part of the aap class part time, for a class? Which schools/principals are transferring the LL3 into the aap center full time? I want to know so that I can be prepared, if need be, to advocate for my kids. TiA!

I have heard of this only specifically for math.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for your reply - very informative and helpful. Is the school board working to mainstream the lack of consistency across the schools? Seems very odd that there isn't just one way to do things and thus ensuring that all kids, regardless of where one resides, actually receive a similar educational experience. Is this issue on the radar? I really am dumbfounded by this.

I believe some of this may be discussed by the School Board as part of the AAP program review, which is scheduled to be presented next month.

When is this meeting? Is there an agenda? How does this get on the list? Seems just wrong that some kids are benefitting while others are left behind in Gen. Ed full time. Either one shoe fits all for the LL3 or...this is rather unsettling.

The Fairfax County School Board work session to discuss the AAP program review has not been officially announced. I believe it will be scheduled for Thursday, June 27, from 6 - 9 P.M. at Gatehouse, but that is just a guess based on the two School Board calendars posted online:

http://www.fcps.edu/schlbd/calendars/meetingscalendar.shtml

The Agenda will likely be presentation of the AAP program review and then a question and answer period. Members of the public can observe a School Board work session but there is no opportunity for the public to comment during a work session.