Was anyone surprised by their dc's low NNAT score?

[Anonymous]

We moved here too late for the AAP screening for one of my children (military family). My child was in a class in fifth grade that did a lot of differentiation. He was in the level IV pullout group and many of the kids in that group were also in this homeroom class.
The teacher had four or five different language arts groups divided into appropriate reading and writing levels. He was in a small language arts group that did very advanced reading and writing assignments and also was working in an advanced math group. Went on to take many AP classes in high school and then went to a top 25 university.
FCPS can provide a top notch education to students in all of its schools and programs. I have been happy to meet lots of caring, nurturing teachers here who want the best for all their students.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, responding to and agreeing with 14:47.

[Anonymous]

I agree with the above. Our older DC is in AAP this year at a new school (base does not have AAP) and while the education DC is getting is good, we are more than likely brining DC back to our base school next year. AAP hasn't been what we expected and isn't offering anything that our base schools fabulous teachers can't provide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nnat is not an iq test. Maybe more of a logic test but its clear you did not prep since you dont know whats on it. Probably would have been worth the 50$ investment.

Not OP. Who preps a 6/7 year old for a standardized test? I "prepped him" by making sure he ate his breakfast well before he left for school. He's either got it or he doesn't. I guess in your child's case, you were concerned that he wasn't naturally smart enough and felt the need to "fake it so he makes it?"

Ha...In the end you could say my daughter prepped me considering how fast she was answering the "prep" questions. Ended up missing a couple on the actual test scoring 150 nnat and in spite of 111 verbal Cogat, is doing fine in a AAP. I thought my daughter was sharp but it wasn't until I "prepped" her did I know exactly how sharp she is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nnat is not an iq test. Maybe more of a logic test but its clear you did not prep since you dont know whats on it. Probably would have been worth the 50$ investment.

Not OP. Who preps a 6/7 year old for a standardized test? I "prepped him" by making sure he ate his breakfast well before he left for school. He's either got it or he doesn't. I guess in your child's case, you were concerned that he wasn't naturally smart enough and felt the need to "fake it so he makes it?"

Ha...In the end you could say my daughter prepped me considering how fast she was answering the "prep" questions. Ended up missing a couple on the actual test scoring 150 nnat and in spite of 111 verbal Cogat, is doing fine in a AAP. I thought my daughter was sharp but it wasn't until I "prepped" her did I know exactly how sharp she is.

Well, I'm glad I didn't spend $50 to find out what I already knew!

[Anonymous]

What that your kid was going to score a 121 with or without prep?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here-so the NNAT tests puzzle-type reasoning only, and the Cogat is more for the verbal/math minded kid? I guess the scores all taken together should show a complete picture of a child's strenghts.

lot of kids show advanced reading/math during early years. But sometimes it doesn't reflect the long run higher abilities. Your kid might be able to do CogAT well and might still get in the AAP though.

A lot of kids are put through the wringer early on by being taught reading and math in private schools and thus seem to exhibit this nature only because they havve been taught this material already.

There is so much time "wasted" in K, 1st, and 2nd, doing time filler stuff when the kids are capable of so much more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My older child got a 118 on the NNAT, but then was in the 99th percentile for verbal on CogAt. Her NV and Quant. scores were in the lower 90's %-ile. She was just one point shy on being in the pool. We did not refer. The ironic thing is that she is in the Adv. Math class at school even though the math/quant. was THE reason she didn't get into AAP (or the pool, if you will)... yet, that's the only "advanced" studies they offer at a regular (non center, non Level 4 school)! She would probably be better served by being in an advanced lang. arts program, but it doesn't exist. Oh well. She's holding her own (not the top of the class, but earning "3"s in Adv. Math).

I've said it before and I'll repeat it here... you're child will NOT wither and die if they go to a non-AAP school. I promise.

The tough thing is that your older child took the NNAT at a higher grade than your younger one, so tough to compare apples with oranges.

Also, I agree that just b/c a child did not screen into AAP, that doesn't mean the child cannot handle AAP work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My older child got a 118 on the NNAT, but then was in the 99th percentile for verbal on CogAt. Her NV and Quant. scores were in the lower 90's %-ile. She was just one point shy on being in the pool. We did not refer. The ironic thing is that she is in the Adv. Math class at school even though the math/quant. was THE reason she didn't get into AAP (or the pool, if you will)... yet, that's the only "advanced" studies they offer at a regular (non center, non Level 4 school)! She would probably be better served by being in an advanced lang. arts program, but it doesn't exist. Oh well. She's holding her own (not the top of the class, but earning "3"s in Adv. Math).

I've said it before and I'll repeat it here... you're child will NOT wither and die if they go to a non-AAP school. I promise.

The tough thing is that your older child took the NNAT at a higher grade than your younger one, so tough to compare apples with oranges.

Also, I agree that just b/c a child did not screen into AAP, that doesn't mean the child cannot handle AAP work.

Or that the child cannot get a strong education in the regular classroom. The regular classroom can provide a very strong education for bright kids who are motivated and work hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My older child got a 118 on the NNAT, but then was in the 99th percentile for verbal on CogAt. Her NV and Quant. scores were in the lower 90's %-ile. She was just one point shy on being in the pool. We did not refer. The ironic thing is that she is in the Adv. Math class at school even though the math/quant. was THE reason she didn't get into AAP (or the pool, if you will)... yet, that's the only "advanced" studies they offer at a regular (non center, non Level 4 school)! She would probably be better served by being in an advanced lang. arts program, but it doesn't exist. Oh well. She's holding her own (not the top of the class, but earning "3"s in Adv. Math).

I've said it before and I'll repeat it here... you're child will NOT wither and die if they go to a non-AAP school. I promise.

The tough thing is that your older child took the NNAT at a higher grade than your younger one, so tough to compare apples with oranges.

Also, I agree that just b/c a child did not screen into AAP, that doesn't mean the child cannot handle AAP work.

I didn't mention anything about my younger child??? So not sure where you got that from.... but no, my older child did not take it at a higher grade. Older child took it in first grade. Younger child also took it in first grade... but I didn't reference that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing so many very high scores on here. I was a little surprised to see my ds's score. He is a very good reader--picked up reading on his own around age 3-4 and has gone through the whole raz-kids program (which goes up to a 5th grade level) and now reads on his own in class, and he is in the top math grouping (his teacher mentioned it at conference), but only scored 110. Since the NNAT is like an IQ test, does that mean his IQ is around 110?

We did not do any test preparation.

I'm in the same head-scratching mode. My son is in 1st grade and is doing very well academically, reading above his level and even doing double-digit multiplication on his own. I was totally stumped today when I saw his NNAT score at 80. When he was tested for ADHD last summer, the psychologist said his logic-reasoning skills were very low, and I'm guessing that same finding has played to the effect of this NNAT score. I totally suckola'd, big time, with logic test-taking when I was a kid, so I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Luckily I turned out just fine, so I'm taking this test result with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous]

Conspiracy theory: Anyone ever wonder if the school principal or teacher didn't give kids a fair chance at this test by either rushing them or not giving careful instructions to the kids.

There is no real incentive for the teacher or principal to have the kids do well. In the past, I heard that this is not a timed test, but now, there is a time limit for the kids to blow through 48 problems. Also, some kids get a brief overview at some schools, but others don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Conspiracy theory: Anyone ever wonder if the school principal or teacher didn't give kids a fair chance at this test by either rushing them or not giving careful instructions to the kids.

There is no real incentive for the teacher or principal to have the kids do well. In the past, I heard that this is not a timed test, but now, there is a time limit for the kids to blow through 48 problems. Also, some kids get a brief overview at some schools, but others don't.

Yeah, I agree. I also heard there was a landing party in Roswell. Which one I need check out first? Decision, decision...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the above. Our older DC is in AAP this year at a new school (base does not have AAP) and while the education DC is getting is good, we are more than likely brining DC back to our base school next year. AAP hasn't been what we expected and isn't offering anything that our base schools fabulous teachers can't provide.

There are a few families in my DC's AAP program that feel that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the above. Our older DC is in AAP this year at a new school (base does not have AAP) and while the education DC is getting is good, we are more than likely brining DC back to our base school next year. AAP hasn't been what we expected and isn't offering anything that our base schools fabulous teachers can't provide.

Just curious how it's different than you expected.