Large points discrepancy in CogAt- Verbal vs Nonverbal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks. Unfortunately, we didn't receive enough info this year to input into that site to get the profile. And we can't use the percentiles given to us because they're based on FCPS not national data. We didn't get a stanine or any raw scores, just the FCPS percentiles.

Can you speak with the counselor and see if she can get the information to get the profile?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a similar situation to our daughter's scores. She got a 91 on verbal and 42 quantitative, 45 nonquantitative. Such a huge inconsistency makes us wonder if there's something going on processing-wise or some other issue-wise. We're suspecting it in her everyday work too.

Problem is it's not severe enough to trigger testing by the school.
So then where do we go to figure out what's going on? I hate the thought of not getting her intervention if there really is something going on.

Maybe start with your pediatrician? Your doctor may opt to give you a referral to a developmental pediatrician or perhaps a psychologist.

[Anonymous]

These test are timed,and seems easy but far fom it.i would be more concern about grades in class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does a big difference in the Verbal vs Nonverbal marks in the CogAt mean anything is going on with the child learning wise? My child had an over 50 point difference between the two.[/quotes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does a big difference in the Verbal vs Nonverbal marks in the CogAt mean anything is going on with the child learning wise? My child had an over 50 point difference between the two.[/quotes

i have the same thing happen to my son who is 10. He scored 97 in quantitative ,65 in non verbal and 43 in verbal.is is normal the school is no help..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Possibly. You will want to have it checked out.

ADD? ADHD?

[Anonymous]

DYSLEXIA! At least that we are pretty sure our daughter has. She scored 98 Verbal.... but only 17 in non verbal.

School says as long as she is doing well, they won't help. We are going to have her privately tested. And even then, I don't think they will do anything... because her performance is at or above grade level. So that likely means private tutoring. I better go plant a money tree in the back yard, cause I'm gonna need it!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DYSLEXIA! At least that we are pretty sure our daughter has. She scored 98 Verbal.... but only 17 in non verbal.

School says as long as she is doing well, they won't help. We are going to have her privately tested. And even then, I don't think they will do anything... because her performance is at or above grade level. So that likely means private tutoring. I better go plant a money tree in the back yard, cause I'm gonna need it!!

Before planting that money tree (although, really, who wouldn't want one? ), have you talked to the counsellor at the school, in addition to your child's teacher? You could try emailing them, detailing your concerns as well as her test scores. With email, you'll have a paper trail of the teachers and counsellors you've asked for help. Many bright kids figure out ways to compensate for a learning disability and so continue to do well in school, but it is stressful for the child. Many times they can do better with the right kind of help and accommodations.

We wouldn't tell a kid who needs glasses, "Oh, you can see just fine, you don't need these." A child with dyslexia or any other learning disability needs the right kind of help just as much as a nearsighted child needs glasses.

[Anonymous]

We were mystified by a discrepancy in DS's CogAT scores and had a WISC-IV done just to see if there were any clues there. The psychologist who did the WISC said his low verbal score on the CogAT (45th percentile) didn't make sense compared to his VCI on the WISC (95th percentile).

I know it's a different publisher, but NYC just had a furor over scoring errors on one of their standardized tests - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/education/score-corrections-qualify-nearly-2700-more-pupils-for-gifted-programs.html?_r=0

Considering that this is the first year FCPS has used the customized version of the CogAT, does anyone think these large points discrepancies could be due to scoring errors? Have there been such wide variations in prior years using the old test? Just curious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We were mystified by a discrepancy in DS's CogAT scores and had a WISC-IV done just to see if there were any clues there. The psychologist who did the WISC said his low verbal score on the CogAT (45th percentile) didn't make sense compared to his VCI on the WISC (95th percentile).

I know it's a different publisher, but NYC just had a furor over scoring errors on one of their standardized tests - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/education/score-corrections-qualify-nearly-2700-more-pupils-for-gifted-programs.html?_r=0

Considering that this is the first year FCPS has used the customized version of the CogAT, does anyone think these large points discrepancies could be due to scoring errors? Have there been such wide variations in prior years using the old test? Just curious.

I doubt it. My dc got virtually identical cogat & wisc scores as yours, cogat verbal in the mid40% but then vci on wisc in 97th percentile. And this was 3 years ago so I don't think the new version of cogat is to blame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We were mystified by a discrepancy in DS's CogAT scores and had a WISC-IV done just to see if there were any clues there. The psychologist who did the WISC said his low verbal score on the CogAT (45th percentile) didn't make sense compared to his VCI on the WISC (95th percentile).

I know it's a different publisher, but NYC just had a furor over scoring errors on one of their standardized tests - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/education/score-corrections-qualify-nearly-2700-more-pupils-for-gifted-programs.html?_r=0

Considering that this is the first year FCPS has used the customized version of the CogAT, does anyone think these large points discrepancies could be due to scoring errors? Have there been such wide variations in prior years using the old test? Just curious.

Yes, scores this year of the customized fairfax cogat was not even age normalized !!! So an 8 year old who turned 8 on Oct 1st is scored the same as the 7 year old who turned 7 on Sept 28 because they are in the same grade. The NYC parents and NYC school board is upset that the scoring did not base it to the DAY to be precise!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were mystified by a discrepancy in DS's CogAT scores and had a WISC-IV done just to see if there were any clues there. The psychologist who did the WISC said his low verbal score on the CogAT (45th percentile) didn't make sense compared to his VCI on the WISC (95th percentile).

I know it's a different publisher, but NYC just had a furor over scoring errors on one of their standardized tests - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/education/score-corrections-qualify-nearly-2700-more-pupils-for-gifted-programs.html?_r=0

Considering that this is the first year FCPS has used the customized version of the CogAT, does anyone think these large points discrepancies could be due to scoring errors? Have there been such wide variations in prior years using the old test? Just curious.

Yes, scores this year of the customized fairfax cogat was not even age normalized !!! So an 8 year old who turned 8 on Oct 1st is scored the same as the 7 year old who turned 7 on Sept 28 because they are in the same grade. The NYC parents and NYC school board is upset that the scoring did not base it to the DAY to be precise!!!!

And to think I left NYC to escape the crazy parents...only to pick NOVA.

[Anonymous]

Luckily, Fairfax County doesn't rely entirely on one test to determine AAP eligibility. FCPS looks at other factors, including the child's actual behaviors in class, to determine eligibility. It doesn't make sense at all to me to make one test such a big deal.