Obama like Adolf Hitler? Disarming the people while increasing the government power and reach
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| Hitler didn't take guns from the Jews in the late 30s? |
Anonymous
But...but... if the Jews had guns, how could Hitler manage to take them away?? Wouldn't the Jews have blasted Hitler and his regime to the high heavens, like our redneck colleagues are going to do when the US gov't comes after them? |
jsteele
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Yes. The 1938 gun laws restricted gun ownership for the less than 1% of Germany's population that was Jewish while expanding gun rights for the other 99%. |
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Because the Jews, at the time, did not understand the risks. They gave them up willingly as per law because they could not imagine something like the Holocaust occurring. In fact, and had weapons smuggled to them, hence the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, but they were inferiorly armed. Here - educate yourself: Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons 11 November 1938 With a basis in §31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p.265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and §9 of the Führer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p 1331) are the following ordered: §1 Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority. §2 Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation. §3 The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in §1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power. §4 Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of §1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years. §5 For the implementation of this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions. §6 This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts. Berlin, 11 November 1938 Minister of the Interior Frick JEWISH UPRISING: WARSAW GHETTO: So it was, outraged at the mass murder of their people and with nothing left to lose, the remainder of the Ghetto Jews decided to fight back with every means in their power, and whatever the consequence. They offered their first resistance on 18th January 1943, when a large group of Germans soldiers arrived intent on rounding up more Jews for deportation. In fact the Z.O.B (Zydowska Organizacja Bojowa, or the Jewish Fighters Organization) had been planning an attack on the Jewish Police (who collaborated with the Nazis) for the 22nd, but when the Germans marched into the Ghetto they decided to engage them in combat. A bloody street battle took place, in which the significanly inferior-armed Jews lost a great deal of their number. From then on the Z.O.B decided never to engage the Germans openly - where they were bound to lose - but engaged them in partisan warfare. Despite their losses on this day however, an important psychological blow was struck. The Germans could not have everything their own way. They were not invincible. From that point until April the Germans deportation plans were delayed, Nazi collaborators killed, and the Z.O.B (along with other Jewish fighting forces) were in virtually complete control of the Ghetto. Meanwhile the Polish underground movement, impressed by the Jews courage, supplied the Z.O.B with more and better weaponry. In this three month period virtually all attempts to arrest and capture Jews failed, several Germans soldiers were killed, and a number of attempts to lure the Jews out, with promises of working in concentration camps in excellent and safe conditions, failed. The mood of the remaining Jews had turned from acceptance of their fate to defiance, and the Z.O.B enjoyed the support and co-operation of all the non-fighting Jews in the Ghetto. Finally realising that the Jewish Uprising wasn't going to conveniently go away, the Germans arrived in considerable force in the early hours of 19th April with plans for the final liquidation of the Ghetto (ie. the rounding up of every remaining Jew for transportation to the death camps). Nearly a thousand troops marched into the Ghetto, certain that the Jews would either be unwilling and unable to offer them resistance, when they came in such large numbers. However the Z.O.B were now better armed - and more determined - than the Germans realised. As the Nazis advanced into a deserted Ghetto the partisans simply waited for the opportune moment to attack, at which time they reigned bullet and grenades on the exposed German patrols from the cover of tall buildings. The would-be capturers suffered heavy casualties and were forced to retreat. They failed to arrest a single Jewish civilian, all of whom had gone into hiding (mostly in underground bunkers which they had built for this purpose). This day is often cited as the start of the Ghetto Uprising. After this initial set-back on the 19th, Himmler replaced the ineffective commander, Ferdinand von Sammern-Frankenegg, with Jurgen Stroop, who had experience fighting against partisans. He was urged by Himmler to act with whatever means necessary. In the days that followed Stroop ordered all the buildings of the Ghetto be set on fire, in order to flush out enemy soldiers. The quarter became one burning torch, full of flames and dense black smoke. Still the Jews refused to give in, maintaining their resistance and only giving up their positions at the last moment - many jumping from high floors of burning buildings. Most sought refuge in the bunkers, where conditions were hardly any better. Because of the intensity of the infernos the bunkers were unbearably hot and food and water was quickly spoiled. By the 23rd of April any sizeable resistance was no longer possible. All that remained for the Nazis to do was uproot the Jews in the bunkers. Not that this was made easy for them. Forced out of hiding by poison or tear gas, the partisans would often come out firing; women were no less militant, and there were several examples of them hiding grenades in their underwear in order to throw them at German soldiers as they were being arrested. These were last ditch tactics however for a battle that was now lost. On the 9th of May the Nazis successfully stormed the Z.O.B's command bunker and on the 16th, the German Commander, Stroop, announced that the fighting was finished. To mark the end of the Uprising he ordered the Great Warsaw Synagogue on Tlomackie Street to be blown up. Approximately 13,000 Jews were killed during the Uprising, with another 50,000 rounded up and deported to death camps. A few escapees continued to fight in the forests, whilst some who were arrested were later freed by the Polish underground forces and joined the Warsaw Uprising. An estimated 300 German troops died in the struggle. |
Anonymous
| That's "in fact, some had weapons smuggled to them" |
jsteele
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This is the bottom line. A law allowing German Jews to own guns wouldn't have made a difference. |
Anonymous
| Agreed. It took many nations working together, to defeat Hitler. Armed Jews alone could never have managed it. |
Anonymous
| Someone I know posted a poster on FB comparing Obama to Hitler. I was absolutely appalled. What the hell is wrong with people? I am disgusted days later. |
Anonymous
| PP again... which leads me to wonder... in the Civil War, when the South attempted to over throw the tyrannical government, did the Confederacy have the help of any foreign nations? |
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Anonymous
I am no expert but I don't think so. They had appealed to England and France who both wanted to stay out of it. |
Anonymous
It made a difference to the Jews in the Warsaw Uprising. They fought back. Is this fatalistic attitude common with progressives? |
Anonymous
Equally appalled when same was done against Bush? |
Anonymous
Cut them some slack, PP, they don't know what the hell they are talking about. Your typical Republican uneducated rednecks. |
jsteele
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I'm not sure what your point is. 13,000 Jews were killed and 50,000 more were shipped off to death camps. That is history, not an attitude. Maybe they felt better when they died, but they still died. The guns didn't make a difference. They could have thrown stones and felt better for fighting back. |