The Chicago school system has a deficit of $700 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there really people on this forum who think a salary of 76K for a teacher is a lot??

Crossing guards will have to be paid. I admit that and everyone else does.

But 18K as an annual salary? Nobody lives on that

$76k is a lot in Chicago. It's more than most professors at DePaul University make, in fact. The starting salary there for a full-time (rarely hired) professor is $36k, my family friend who was worked there for 40 years, tenured and all, makes $88k. So yes, $76k is a lot for a teacher in Chicago.

And of course no one lives on $18k a year. But that is working mid-August through early-June, 3 hours a day! That's a very plush part-time job for a retiree or someone who can work around that schedule. It IS snazzy, considering students where honored to do it for free as student crossing captains when I was growing up.

[Anonymous]

*were not where

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there really people on this forum who think a salary of 76K for a teacher is a lot??

Crossing guards will have to be paid. I admit that and everyone else does.

But 18K as an annual salary? Nobody lives on that

$76k is a lot in Chicago. It's more than most professors at DePaul University make, in fact. The starting salary there for a full-time (rarely hired) professor is $36k, my family friend who was worked there for 40 years, tenured and all, makes $88k. So yes, $76k is a lot for a teacher in Chicago.

And of course no one lives on $18k a year. But that is working mid-August through early-June, 3 hours a day! That's a very plush part-time job for a retiree or someone who can work around that schedule. It IS snazzy, considering students where honored to do it for free as student crossing captains when I was growing up.

Your family friend is clearly capable of teaching in Chicago schools. Yet he doesn't. If they were so overpaid, people like Jim would be breaking down the doors to get those jobs.

[Anonymous]

Like him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there really people on this forum who think a salary of 76K for a teacher is a lot??

Crossing guards will have to be paid. I admit that and everyone else does.

But 18K as an annual salary? Nobody lives on that

$76k is a lot in Chicago. It's more than most professors at DePaul University make, in fact. The starting salary there for a full-time (rarely hired) professor is $36k, my family friend who was worked there for 40 years, tenured and all, makes $88k. So yes, $76k is a lot for a teacher in Chicago.

And of course no one lives on $18k a year. But that is working mid-August through early-June, 3 hours a day! That's a very plush part-time job for a retiree or someone who can work around that schedule. It IS snazzy, considering students where honored to do it for free as student crossing captains when I was growing up.

Your family friend is clearly capable of teaching in Chicago schools. Yet he doesn't. If they were so overpaid, people like Jim would be breaking down the doors to get those jobs.

You are not supporting your claims with fact.

"From 2004 to 2006, CPS received an average of 10,786 applications per year and hired about 17% of candidates." <http://tntp.org/assets/documents/TNTPAnalysis-Chicago.pdf?files/TNTPAnalysis-Chicago.pdf>

People are breaking down the doors to get those jobs. The misinformation out there is startling. Here are just the basics about CPS: http://www.cps.edu/about_cps/at-a-glance/pages/stats_and_facts.aspx

And I apologize, the average salary is $74,839 for a teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there really people on this forum who think a salary of 76K for a teacher is a lot??

Crossing guards will have to be paid. I admit that and everyone else does.

But 18K as an annual salary? Nobody lives on that

$76k is a lot in Chicago. It's more than most professors at DePaul University make, in fact. The starting salary there for a full-time (rarely hired) professor is $36k, my family friend who was worked there for 40 years, tenured and all, makes $88k. So yes, $76k is a lot for a teacher in Chicago.

And of course no one lives on $18k a year. But that is working mid-August through early-June, 3 hours a day! That's a very plush part-time job for a retiree or someone who can work around that schedule. It IS snazzy, considering students where honored to do it for free as student crossing captains when I was growing up.

Your family friend is clearly capable of teaching in Chicago schools. Yet he doesn't. If they were so overpaid, people like Jim would be breaking down the doors to get those jobs.

You are not supporting your claims with fact.

"From 2004 to 2006, CPS received an average of 10,786 applications per year and hired about 17% of candidates." <http://tntp.org/assets/documents/TNTPAnalysis-Chicago.pdf?files/TNTPAnalysis-Chicago.pdf>

People are breaking down the doors to get those jobs. The misinformation out there is startling. Here are just the basics about CPS: http://www.cps.edu/about_cps/at-a-glance/pages/stats_and_facts.aspx

And I apologize, the average salary is $74,839 for a teacher.

I don't know about you, but I'd say that any decent company interviews 5-6 people for every position it takes. That's what 17% represents. You should think before you post.

[Anonymous]

OK
So anyone who likes can become a teacher.
Maybe these posters who post about the teachers amazing life can lead the way and be the first to change careers and become teachers

[Anonymous]

When you continually elect corrupt fascists like Rahm Emmanuel, Richard Daley, Eric Holder, Barack Obama to be in charge of your state (let alone the US), you reap what you sow. These people couldn't run a lemonade stand properly. The stupid teachers are always like, "Why is this broken? How come I can't get a new...? Why this? Why that?" You need look no further than the people that run the state, city, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When you continually elect corrupt fascists like Rahm Emmanuel, Richard Daley, Eric Holder, Barack Obama to be in charge of your state (let alone the US), you reap what you sow. These people couldn't run a lemonade stand properly. The stupid teachers are always like, "Why is this broken? How come I can't get a new...? Why this? Why that?" You need look no further than the people that run the state, city, etc.

You me like Fairfax county, which has a 150 million dollar school budget deficit for next year? Have you been electing fascists there too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK
So anyone who likes can become a teacher.
Maybe these posters who post about the teachers amazing life can lead the way and be the first to change careers and become teachers

This doesn't support your claim that the teachers in Chicago have such a hard job. I have never wanted to be a teacher, just like I have never wanted to be a doctor or a nurse. I'm not arguing that their life is better, just that it isn't that bad. Your argument is meaningless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK
So anyone who likes can become a teacher.
Maybe these posters who post about the teachers amazing life can lead the way and be the first to change careers and become teachers

This doesn't support your claim that the teachers in Chicago have such a hard job. I have never wanted to be a teacher, just like I have never wanted to be a doctor or a nurse. I'm not arguing that their life is better, just that it isn't that bad. Your argument is meaningless.

so you are not going to become a teacher, but are complaining that their benefits are 'charity' and that they as professionals do not 'deserve' their 'excessive' pay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK
So anyone who likes can become a teacher.
Maybe these posters who post about the teachers amazing life can lead the way and be the first to change careers and become teachers

This doesn't support your claim that the teachers in Chicago have such a hard job. I have never wanted to be a teacher, just like I have never wanted to be a doctor or a nurse. I'm not arguing that their life is better, just that it isn't that bad. Your argument is meaningless.

so you are not going to become a teacher, but are complaining that their benefits are 'charity' and that they as professionals do not 'deserve' their 'excessive' pay

No, I never said 'excessive' and I certainly do not think their benefits are 'charity,' you are putting words in my mouth. I will repeat, I'm not arguing that their life is better, just that it isn't that bad. Moreover, they are doing damage to the students who are out school by undermining the trust that students have for them. If I were a fifth grader, I think this would change how I view education for the rest of my life. They are HURTING the most vulnerable members of this equation.

[Anonymous]

$74,839, not too bad for less than 9 months of actual work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK
So anyone who likes can become a teacher.
Maybe these posters who post about the teachers amazing life can lead the way and be the first to change careers and become teachers

This doesn't support your claim that the teachers in Chicago have such a hard job. I have never wanted to be a teacher, just like I have never wanted to be a doctor or a nurse. I'm not arguing that their life is better, just that it isn't that bad. Your argument is meaningless.

so you are not going to become a teacher, but are complaining that their benefits are 'charity' and that they as professionals do not 'deserve' their 'excessive' pay

No, I never said 'excessive' and I certainly do not think their benefits are 'charity,' you are putting words in my mouth. I will repeat, I'm not arguing that their life is better, just that it isn't that bad. Moreover, they are doing damage to the students who are out school by undermining the trust that students have for them. If I were a fifth grader, I think this would change how I view education for the rest of my life. They are HURTING the most vulnerable members of this equation.

If children are that precious to you and you are so concerned about a strike scarring them for life, then you most certainly would have no problem providing them with a more generous pay package. If you are not, then we can put a dollar amount on exactly how much you care about this scarring event.

In any contract dispute, there are two parties and they both have the power to settle the dispute at any time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK
So anyone who likes can become a teacher.
Maybe these posters who post about the teachers amazing life can lead the way and be the first to change careers and become teachers

This doesn't support your claim that the teachers in Chicago have such a hard job. I have never wanted to be a teacher, just like I have never wanted to be a doctor or a nurse. I'm not arguing that their life is better, just that it isn't that bad. Your argument is meaningless.

so you are not going to become a teacher, but are complaining that their benefits are 'charity' and that they as professionals do not 'deserve' their 'excessive' pay

No, I never said 'excessive' and I certainly do not think their benefits are 'charity,' you are putting words in my mouth. I will repeat, I'm not arguing that their life is better, just that it isn't that bad. Moreover, they are doing damage to the students who are out school by undermining the trust that students have for them. If I were a fifth grader, I think this would change how I view education for the rest of my life. They are HURTING the most vulnerable members of this equation.

If children are that precious to you and you are so concerned about a strike scarring them for life, then you most certainly would have no problem providing them with a more generous pay package. If you are not, then we can put a dollar amount on exactly how much you care about this scarring event.

In any contract dispute, there are two parties and they both have the power to settle the dispute at any time.

I would happily endorse and contribute to a pay package in excess of $100K provided teachers are held accountable for student achievement and success. Developing metrics both parents and teachers can agree to with provisions to reclaim expenditures for failure in achievement seems like the right direction. Otherwise it's like throwing money into a bottomless pit.