Obama- rude!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is a known expression - but Obama used it directly after Palin referred to herself as someone with lipstick.. read this:

What's the difference between the presidential campaign before and after the national political conventions? Lipstick.


The colorful cosmetic has become a political buzzword, thanks to Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's joke in her acceptance speech that lipstick is the only thing that separates a hockey mom like her from a pit bull.[i]

So a reference on lipstick on pig is a direct hit on her. McCain also made a cheap shot-but in "real politics" - it was just another cheap shot as everyone has done- this was a direct hit.

Are you stating that because Sarah Palin chose to liken herself to a pit bull with lipstick at the Republican National Convention, Barack Obama can't use the word "lipstick" in a completely different context without it being a "hit" on Sarah Palin.

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, I think it's a duck.

Old wine in a new bottle

A pig with lipstick is still a pig.

The list goes on . . .

Sarah Palin does not own the word "lipstick", nor the use of the word to make a political (or other) point.

[Anonymous]

Good grief; the Republicans have become such a bunch of whiners. Now that they have discovered this idea called "sexism," they can't get enough. It's like that Windex joke from "My Big Fat Greek Wedding"--they can spray it on anything!

[Anonymous]

It's an expression. Whiners.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure this will shock Jeff, but. . . . I don't think Obama intended negative anything by this statement. The crowd obviously thought he was making a reference to Palin, based on their ecstatic reaction, but I don't think he was. He's used this expression a lot in the past. It does suggest how much more careful everyone has to be with a woman in the race, just as with a black man in the race. Everyone is extra sensitive. But I feel sure he didn't intend it negatively.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps you and Jeff should get a room, PP. I'm a bit tired of the two of you having a conversation in the open that the rest of us are not privy to.

[Anonymous]

Mock indignation is just one of the many flavors of dishonesty that make up most of our public political life. It is however an effective means of distracting from serious discussion and of riling up partisans--which is why the McCain people jumped on the opportunity to strike the pose of aggrieved-victim-of-sexist-attack (almost said sexist pig there, better watch my language I guess!). I just hope no one is dumb enough to believe that Obama is dumb enough to actually call Sarah Palin a pig (although I guess he was dumb enough not to steer a country mile around anything that could in any way be construed as sexist).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps you and Jeff should get a room, PP. I'm a bit tired of the two of you having a conversation in the open that the rest of us are not privy to.

This is not the PP you referred to, but since I can read your note, I'd like to be able to understand it. How can you not be privy to an open conversation? Was there a typo in there?

Also, do you somehow know who that PP is?

[Anonymous]

There is a particular poster that is having an ongoing argument with Jeff. Jeff points out that her arguments are hypocritical and two-faced, and she responds by defending her arguments and talking directly to Jeff.

So when she said, "I know this will surprise you, Jeff" I knew it was the same PP, trying to have the same ongoing, semi-private exchange with Jeff. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

I have no idea who the actual PP is.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:There is a particular poster that is having an ongoing argument with Jeff. Jeff points out that her arguments are hypocritical and two-faced, and she responds by defending her arguments and talking directly to Jeff.

I think I can speak both for myself and my erstwhile debate partner in saying that we certainly wouldn't want to leave anyone out. Feel free to join the discussion. I happen to enjoy the more or less personal engagement (as personal as it can be given I don't know her name, age, appearance, etc.).

For what its worth, I was surprised that she didn't jump all over Obama.

[Anonymous]

I think that it's offensive towards women and that both candidates need a new metaphor.

I used to work at a very politically correct institution where men were censored for saying less than this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:wow... we haven't even seen any real debates yet and already there are women crying over name calling? That's part of the game! And after having said that, I don't think it was intended as an insult for Palin. Especially since McCain used the same phrase before. It's just that some people are overly self conscious and take things personally that could easily have a different explanation. Happens all the time.

McCain's male communications directors led the outcry over the pig remark. You could have made your point without this sexism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that it's offensive towards women and that both candidates need a new metaphor.

I used to work at a very politically correct institution where men were censored for saying less than this.

OK, so we should never use the word 'pig' in the same sentence as any cosmetic associated primarily with women, got it. How about in the same sentence/paragraph/book? And where's all the outrage on behalf of cross-dressing men? I think it's extremely sexist to suppose that lipstick is only for women!

[Anonymous]

Sadly, it's already an RNC ad. This is ridiculous:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZd_Y_D-RaA

[Anonymous]

Losers.

They win by assuming their constituents don't know any better--here's hoping their constituents miraculously defy expectations Nov 4.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a particular poster that is having an ongoing argument with Jeff. Jeff points out that her arguments are hypocritical and two-faced, and she responds by defending her arguments and talking directly to Jeff.

I think I can speak both for myself and my erstwhile debate partner in saying that we certainly wouldn't want to leave anyone out. Feel free to join the discussion. I happen to enjoy the more or less personal engagement (as personal as it can be given I don't know her name, age, appearance, etc.).

For what its worth, I was surprised that she didn't jump all over Obama.

You're definitely speaking for me too. But would we have to start wearing orange Crocs? That could be a deal breaker.

Guess the other PP thinks I'm the only one who calls you "Jeff." What a riot. I do think "Jeff Steele" is about the best name imaginable. It's like the superhero's alter ego name.