The Democratic Party is a Racist Haven

[Anonymous]

what is white anymore? they call george zimmerman white...why? is Obama white? his mom is white, he was raised in a white extended family... what makes him black? what is the exact width of ones lips or shade of skin that liberals use to define someone as white/black or hispanic. I would really be interested to get those guidelines.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:what is white anymore? they call george zimmerman white...why? is Obama white? his mom is white, he was raised in a white extended family... what makes him black? what is the exact width of ones lips or shade of skin that liberals use to define someone as white/black or hispanic. I would really be interested to get those guidelines.

I'm liberal and I am not aware of any such guidelines. But, your post makes me curious. What guidelines do conservatives use?

[Anonymous]

conservatives don't think you should catagorize people racially.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:conservatives don't think you should catagorize people racially.

I can't speak for what conservatives think, but in their actions they clearly categorize people racially. The first post of this thread mentions David Duke. I think you would agree that he is a conservative. I also think you will agree that he categorizes people racially. You yourself wrote in your previous message that Obama's mother was white. Therefore, you yourself categorized Obama's mom racially. You said that Obama was raised in white extended family, thereby categorizing Obama's family racially. Can you explain what guidelines you used to categorize Obama's mother and extended family as white? Was it the straightness of their hair, the thinness of their lips, their susceptibility to sunburn, an inability on their behalf to dance and/or jump? I am very curious about this.

[Anonymous]

I'm just going on what other people say. In the news and in Obamas book Obama's mother is defined as white. And the news media has labeled Obama as black. I don't get what measurements of lips, skin and other features that are being used to define and catagorize people into race boxes. people are people to us conservatives.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:I'm just going on what other people say. In the news and in Obamas book Obama's mother is defined as white. And the news media has labeled Obama as black. I don't get what measurements of lips, skin and other features that are being used to define and catagorize people into race boxes. people are people to us conservatives.

As I said, I don't know of any measurements that are being used to define races. I know people who consider themselves a member of one race or another and I also consider them to be that race. But, neither them nor I used measurements of any sort (that's probably a good thing given what they say about black guys). I know that there is a woman in Washington who has a website called Conservative Black Chick (www.conservativeblackchick.com). You might want to contact her and tell her that there is no such thing as a black person and also ask her how she decided she was black. That would probably be an interesting discussion. You might also want to contact these guys: http://www.nbra.info/ and have the same discussion. Maybe you can convince them to change their name to the National People Republican Association.

Really, this issue of race in America is very interesting and could be the basis of a good discussion. But, you really don't seem very interested in taking it seriously.

[Anonymous]

PP must be Stephen Colbert, who doesn't see race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One will have to explain to me why all those Southern Democrats from the 1950s and 1960s who opposed Civil Rights and their descendants now belong to the Republican Party. One must remember that it was the Republican Party that opposed the civil rights legislation. The foregoing, of course, does not mean that the Democrats have no racists in their midst. Using Barry as an example is a waste of time. No one takes him seriously, outside his ward. I am confident that no national Democratic leader will be supporting David Duke.

I"m not quite sure I understand those first two sentences.

i think it is pretty well documented that LBJ was opposed to the Civil Rights Act but signed it anyway. A LOT of liberals back then were against civil rights and integration, but they were pragmatic enough to figure out it was a way to get votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm just going on what other people say. In the news and in Obamas book Obama's mother is defined as white. And the news media has labeled Obama as black. I don't get what measurements of lips, skin and other features that are being used to define and catagorize people into race boxes. people are people to us conservatives.

If people were people, they would vote for you conservatives. But you have an uncanny knack for doing bad things to them whether it is socially, in business, or in politics. And apparently you do that all without being able to see race! Because you are so race blind you couldn't recognize a black man if he walked up and asked you for a job (which he did and you did not give it to him).

You want race to be about genetics and body measurements, just like the Nazis used to measure Jews or plantation owners used to separate people into categories based on percentage of blackness. Because that's what makes you comfortable. Nice neat biological boxes. The rest of the world knows that being black is about how you and society perceive you. It's not so confusing. Even kids get it.

[Anonymous]

David Duke is way beyond being conservative. I view myself as a fairly conservative voter. Based on his comments and actions, I think any rational person would view David Duke as racist to the core and disgraceful. No "conservative" I know would align themselves with his political agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One will have to explain to me why all those Southern Democrats from the 1950s and 1960s who opposed Civil Rights and their descendants now belong to the Republican Party. One must remember that it was the Republican Party that opposed the civil rights legislation. The foregoing, of course, does not mean that the Democrats have no racists in their midst. Using Barry as an example is a waste of time. No one takes him seriously, outside his ward. I am confident that no national Democratic leader will be supporting David Duke.

I"m not quite sure I understand those first two sentences.

i think it is pretty well documented that LBJ was opposed to the Civil Rights Act but signed it anyway. A LOT of liberals back then were against civil rights and integration, but they were pragmatic enough to figure out it was a way to get votes.

You have your history wrong. LBJ started out as a teacher of minority students in a segregated town, which motivated him to move into politics. He bent on his principles in his early career out of political expediency, but started throwing that under the bus in 1957. By the time he became President, the Civil Rights Act was already dead after Kennedy had tried to get it passed. He picked it up and carried it over the line. He personally intervened to break the fillibuster. And as for political expediency? When he signed the bill he said "We have lost the South for a generation" The immediate response was Nixon's Southern Strategy. So no, this was not about getting votes. He did it despite the pain he felt it would bring to his party.

So you are right that he wasn't always a supporter. But you are wrong about his true principles, and about where political expediency led. And Johnson's personal role in the passage of the Civil Rights Act is an undeniable point of history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:David Duke is way beyond being conservative. I view myself as a fairly conservative voter. Based on his comments and actions, I think any rational person would view David Duke as racist to the core and disgraceful. No "conservative" I know would align themselves with his political agenda.

You may not identify with him, but the guy is not a liberal. Like it or not, he is a conservative by the term's definition, by his own description, and by his voting behavior. Saying he's not a conservative is like saying socialists aren't liberals. Or saying Al Sharpton is not a liberal because he's not like any liberals I know.

Both sides of the political spectrum have their problem children. For conservatives, it's the bigots like Duke, the hate groups and militias. And as for the broader public, take a look at the Tea Party. In a survey of 1400 Tea Party groups, "Eleven percent said that Obama's race, religion or ethnic background was either a 'very important' or 'somewhat important' factor in the support their group has received". So a certain portion of the Tea Party movement is a reaction to Obama's race.

[Anonymous]

If Obama is African american so is she

[Anonymous]

Woah, PP should post more often...

OP here. I'm just saying that Democrats appeal to racism; they exploit it. Jeff or someone mentioned that so many minority groups vote Democrat. That's the point. The party offers certain races rewards for voting for them. This includes contracting, job preferences, welfare, or whatever. They divide by race.

Obama openly sided with professor Henry Gates who bogusly claimed that he was arrested because of his race and Nancy Pelosi is now claiming that Attorney General Eric Holder is being questioned over Fast and Furious because Republicans want to deny blacks the right to vote, which supposedly he is defending. There is the whole ginned up Treyvon Martin thing with Obama appealing to race again. The list goes on.

Anti-Semites abound, particularly black ones. White racists can fit in there too because liberals don't really care as long as they are Democrats. George Allen loses his seat because he calls some boy a "macacca" but Robert Byrd had a long and happy career.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Obama is African american so is she

Does she CALL herself an African American? Your racist throwback to genetic percentages is really troubling. Maybe you should start calling yourself AA. After all, your ancestors came from there.