The Newest Thing? Illegals? What
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Anonymous
Agreed, here is an article from the liberal compost talking about how illegals will now take the GOOD jobs from Americans. The argument that illegals only do the jobs Americans won't do has been thrown out the window. We need the illegals to do the jobs we won't do NOT the jobs we want to do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/young-illegal-immigrants-amnesty-could-tighten-competition-for-jobs-college/2012/06/15/gJQAmgV4fV_story.html?tid=pm_pop |
Anonymous
If we WANT to do the jobs we would get the degrees necessary to do them. |
Anonymous
| OP, you can follow the rules and still have a big heart for others. It is not exclusive. |
Anonymous
| They are not exclusive. |
Anonymous
| We have a 10%+ unemployment rate. Trust me, Americans want the jobs, but who is going to hire an American FOR the job. They can get illegals much cheaper. |
Anonymous
| I understand OP. My family came here legally when I was four. Took my parents about 3 times before they were accepted I was told. I know it does not directly impact me, but I also find it unfair that there are people here without authorization getting the benefits of America (like a free education) without following the rules...BUT I agree with others, that it is not kids' faults if their parents put them in the position of being illegal. They should get an education. |
Anonymous
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We should probably clear up something about the so-called "free" benefits people seem to think the undocumented are getting. There may be some misconceptions about how some of this stuff works.
First, most undocumented people work using stolen social security numbers. As a result, they pay taxes and social security under that number. Most, however, do not ever collect on those funds. So, they are net contributors to social security. (See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/02/AR2010090202673.html for a no nonsense explanation of how this all goes down.) Since they also pay taxes using those numbers, they are also contributing toward the public education their children get - just like any citizen. I haven't seen any numbers that show they aren't paying full freight in local, state, and federal taxes for public education (at least for their income level). In fact, in college, they often have to pay out-of-state fees even if they are in-state residents so they may actually be paying more than their neighbors. Where the undocumented really cost the welfare state is in the emergency room. Those costs are real. Because so many undocumented work in low-wage jobs where employers do not provide health care, they use emergency rooms for health care. However, it's not clear that this is a function of them being illegal and not a function of the fact that they are in crap jobs. It's entirely possible that if you somehow got rid of the undocumented, then citizens would eventually take those crap jobs and they would end up in the emergency room for the same reasons. The health care costs are more likely caused by our health care system, which relies on employers to cover people, than it does on the legal status of immigrants. (FYI - my in-laws live in Mexico and they have much better access to low-cost health care there, so that's definitely not an incentive to come here.) As for what people commonly think of as welfare, payments to mothers with children, that program is a shell of what it once was as a result of the Clinton reforms so it's not something that could act as an incentive. Further, that program is now and has always been majority white. The people who use it are low-income white women (think Appalachia if you are having a hard time understanding how that comes out). Anyway, most economists think that at best, illegals actually contribute to the economy and the welfare state, and at worst, it's a wash. Personally, I think when you add it all up we get more than we give from illegal immigration. However, it's incredibly dangerous and costly for people to come here illegally and not particularly good for the US to not know who is here. That's why I think we need to curb illegal immigration. However, the whole wall concept won't work. If you look at what happens when you tighten controls on the boarder, what you will see is that instead of single people coming to work for a few months or years before returning home, you get whole families coming together because they know that once they get here, they can't go back because it's too hard to cross. So now, everyone comes. Then children are raised here, they form ties to the community, and it's bye-bye home country and we have to figure out what to do with all these non-status people. Much better to let generous numbers of people come to work legally for periods of time, but make sure they are going home frequently (like six months here, one month home, etc.) so that they maintain times to their home communities. That will help prevent permanent migration of entire families, give us the workforce we need, cut down on violence from the human trade, and still let us know who is here and why. What most people don't understand is that life in Mexico can actually be really nice, other than the fact that there is a jobs problem there. Anyone who does have dreams of a better life is going to think about coming here to make some money. Give them a way to do it that does the least amount of damage to them and us and the results will be better for all. You have to understand human nature and let it work for you, rather than trying to fight it because you feel compelled to get tough because people have broken the rules. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. Finally, the other thing we could do is wait it out. Mexico's economy is getting way better and the birthrate is dropping like a rock. Migration is already way, way below the peak levels of the 1990s and 2000s and isn't likely to ever come back up again because the births just aren't there to make that migration possible. The economy is doing better too, though you still have to pay 13% for a business loan, which is going to limit growth if it's not changed at some point. Anyway, this challenge is already solving itself to some degree. |
Anonymous
| What happens with the parents of these kids do they get deported? |
Anonymous
In my industry we go MONTHS without finding qualified candidates for our jobs. We are settling left and right. In order to get a foreign worker in, we spend thousands of dollars on legal just to do it. So trust me, Americans are not often enough stepping up to be qualified for the jobs. And no one has answered the question of Alabama. When all those illegals left, where were the unemployed masses who went to get their jobs? Uh, nobody! AAnd what about farm work. Where are the masses of unemployed people in the West who should be tying up their bindles and migrating out to the farms like in the old days? They are watching Real Housewives, while the jobs go unfilled. Here is what happened when Americans get offered these jobs: http://www.economist.com/node/17722932 Here is a guy who hired American workers for field work at $10.50 an hour. They started quitting by lunchtime: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/us/farmers-strain-to-hire-american-workers-in-place-of-migrant-labor.html Here is the bottom line for the Republican party. Each of the Presidents from your big agricultural states (Reagan, Bush, and Bush) has proposed some sort of Amnesty or guest worker program. There is a reason for that. Listen to your own people. |
Anonymous
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Well, you can legal and a citizen and undocumented.
If your parents become homeless then there is a chance the high school will let you stay and finish your education even though you are not documented as a resident in the school district anymore |
Anonymous
| You want to get illegal CHILDREN deported? Anyone deported who works their ass of here for slave wages? YOU ARE A BITCH! |
Anonymous
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Illegal immigrants need to be deported, and we need to get off our asses and get jobs. Fact is that the high employment rate shows that AMERICANS do not have jobs, illegal alians are taking jobs that could benefit American Citizens. If American Citizens are too fucking lazy to do the jobs, that's another matter. Once they realize they can't pig out on McDonalds and Coke all day without money, they will have to learn to put in hard work. Bringing in illegals to do work is not the way to fix the problem of lack of a workforce, what will is actually motivating the unemployed Americans to get off their sorry asses and get a fucking job.
We need a fence, and we need better border protection. Of course Obama will NEVER give us that, oh no, it's "lets give the little kids amnesty! Fun!" for him. No one has the balls to step up and say "It's fucked up that we allow people tio cross our borders REPEATEDLY and then act like it's perfectly fine." The dems are fine with it, as they know that illegals are smarter then people think them to, and knows the hand that feeds them. Once illegals are given amnesty (which they will be) they will vote for Dems. Once proud, smart conservative states, such as Arazona, will fall and we will be living in a liberalized country. Free healthcare, free college, and high taxes. Land of the oppressed and home of the none. Maybe then we will have an illegal emigration problem |
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OP living in never never land muct be wonderful. Plyler v Doe in 1982 States must provide HS education to illegals... Nothing new, try joining the real world. You've been in Mommy Facebook land too long. I bet they even have newspapers in the burbs Read one!
FYI. hospitals also must provide ER care and if they throw a patient out in the streets the fine is $500k |
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I know someone who didn't find out until she was 16 years old that she wasn't a US citizen.
Imagine yourself at 16, finding out that you can't start driving like your friends, you can't go to college after you graduate, you can't get a job- that you have no future in the only country you've known. That your only option is to go to a country of which you have no memory, that you left as a toddler, a country whose language you don't speak and whose customs and culture are wholly foreign to you. |
Anonymous
| 20:21 here- while imagining, also imagine that your "home" country is a place where your greatest opportunity, after excelling academically in the US, is to work at a call center. |