Ivy League grads...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is a big 3 ivy? HY? P?

Harvard, Yale, Princeton.

However, Cornell, Univ. of PA, Brown, and Columbia are all Ivy League and you have to just as smart to get into these schools and just as smart ot graduate as the requirements for H, Y, and P. Same thing for U. VA, Stanford, U. of Chicago, Havrford College, Northwestern, Tulane, MIT and so many, many others.

No everyone can afford to attend ILs but this doesn't negate their educational qualifications and it is nothing but insufferable snobbery to think that H, Y, and P are so much above the others.

Every year Princeton receives a couple of hundred requests for information about their law school. Princeton does not have a law school and more than a few of these requests come from graduates of Harvard and Yale!

You forgot Dartmouth....

I think they are often forgotten. And afterthought, if you will.

[Anonymous]

you should check out Conan O'Brien's commencement speech at Dartmouth this June. He gave a fabulous summary of the Ivy League. It's on you tube and may still be on the Dartmouth website. The whole thing is funny and worth watching, but that bit is one of the funnier ones. If I knew how to post a link here I would, but I guess I slept through that class at Dartmouth.

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I am an ivy grad for undergrad and law school. It is like a stepping stone. the undergrad degree helped me get into law school, the combined degrees helped me get my first law job, which helped me get my second. I come from a working class background, and it helped me learn how to socialize with everyone. I had classmates who had buildings named after their grandfathers, and classmates getting free tuition because their parents were on the custodial staff.
Where it wasn't much help for a long time was dating. It was a real buzzkill when men find out where I went to school. They started on the you must be so smart wisecracks, and it went downhill from there. I started responding to questions about where i went to school with the names of the cities, rather than the names of the universities. I finally met and kept a great guy who went to a school that is highly regarded enough for it not to trigger insecurities. And we just got older, so it is less of an issue where anyone went to school.

[Anonymous]

Professional benefits? For me, none, since I chose to become a SAHM after Ivy undergrad and law school. Not as rare as you may think. I have several gfs who did the same after having children.

It's has been a boon to DH and his career since he is a lawyer (very credential aware law firms and gov jobs). He would not have had the opportunities he had had it not been for his pedigree. However, he is a master at networking. Comes naturally and loves it. Also, our schools play a large part in our social life since most of our friends are all pretty much like us, Ivy or equivalent with advance degrees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a big 3 ivy? HY? P?

Harvard, Yale, Princeton.

However, Cornell, Univ. of PA, Brown, and Columbia are all Ivy League and you have to just as smart to get into these schools and just as smart ot graduate as the requirements for H, Y, and P. Same thing for U. VA, Stanford, U. of Chicago, Havrford College, Northwestern, Tulane, MIT and so many, many others.

No everyone can afford to attend ILs but this doesn't negate their educational qualifications and it is nothing but insufferable snobbery to think that H, Y, and P are so much above the others.

Every year Princeton receives a couple of hundred requests for information about their law school. Princeton does not have a law school and more than a few of these requests come from graduates of Harvard and Yale!

You forgot Dartmouth....

I think they are often forgotten. And afterthought, if you will.

As an "ivy" status undergrad college, Dartmouth has been an east coast prep school destination for far longer than Penn or Cornell...so wouldn't really call them the afterthought when you're talking about who the elites think about...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Professional benefits? For me, none, since I chose to become a SAHM after Ivy undergrad and law school. Not as rare as you may think. I have several gfs who did the same after having children.

It's has been a boon to DH and his career since he is a lawyer (very credential aware law firms and gov jobs). He would not have had the opportunities he had had it not been for his pedigree. However, he is a master at networking. Comes naturally and loves it. Also, our schools play a large part in our social life since most of our friends are all pretty much like us, Ivy or equivalent with advance degrees.

If you weren't going to have a career, do you feel like you took the spot of someone who could have used those connections and brand name to have a career?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Professional benefits? For me, none, since I chose to become a SAHM after Ivy undergrad and law school. Not as rare as you may think. I have several gfs who did the same after having children.

It's has been a boon to DH and his career since he is a lawyer (very credential aware law firms and gov jobs). He would not have had the opportunities he had had it not been for his pedigree. However, he is a master at networking. Comes naturally and loves it. Also, our schools play a large part in our social life since most of our friends are all pretty much like us, Ivy or equivalent with advance degrees.

If you weren't going to have a career, do you feel like you took the spot of someone who could have used those connections and brand name to have a career?

Never gave it a thought since I worked my ass off to get where I did. But now that you bring it up, no. I have friends like me with "connections and brand name" who chose to become SAHM and other friends who chose to work and who have very very successful careers, most are single, never married w/o kids. We're all in our mid to late forties. Hope it's different now but my age cohorts weren't very successful finding a family/work balance.

[Anonymous]

I agree that it matters much more if you went to HYP - and I'm a grad of one of the "other" Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that it matters much more if you went to HYP - and I'm a grad of one of the "other" Ivies.

I'm curious about this. What has your experience been as an alum of one of the "other" Ivies?

[Anonymous]

I'm an alum of another Ivy- Dartmouth. Benefits professionally are more field specific. My classmates in investment banking or finance or strategy/management consulting definitely gain from their Dartmouth status given the very powerful alum networks and clubby nature of their fields but in my field (less American dominated) not much. But I gained hugely from my actual experience there.

[Anonymous]

The issue is that this area is full of social climbers who think the be all and end all is an Ivy League education. What they do not know is that it will not make them a better person; and it will not make them automatically "blend in". It is NOT a magic wand or by any means the answer to everything that they want it to be. I came to this area expecting fellow educated people and did not find that, but found some rather sour grapes instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm an alum of another Ivy- Dartmouth. Benefits professionally are more field specific. My classmates in investment banking or finance or strategy/management consulting definitely gain from their Dartmouth status given the very powerful alum networks and clubby nature of their fields but in my field (less American dominated) not much. But I gained hugely from my actual experience there.

Dartmouth grad here. I agree with this. Has it helped me professionally? Hell yes. But that isn't what matters to me. What matters is the amazing experience I had there.

[Anonymous]

FWIW, Ivy for undergrad is too common place here in DC.

Highly selective liberal arts college (Amherst, Swarthmore, Williams, etc.), THEN Ivy for grad is the way to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, Ivy for undergrad is too common place here in DC.

Highly selective liberal arts college (Amherst, Swarthmore, Williams, etc.), THEN Ivy for grad is the way to go.

Huh. Thought that was an oxymoron.

[Anonymous]

people don't care about small liberal arts colleges unless they went t one themselves. fact of the matter is that an ivy on the resume still impresses.