Vyvanse

[Anonymous]

Doctor here again - I'm done with this thread as it is no longer useful or interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I am a doctor and I stand by advice to work with a doctor skilled in prescribing psychostimulants.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking perhaps you were mis-remembering what you'd seen. Instead, I see you exemplify the problems with "research by Google". You don't have sufficient knowledge to understand and evaluate what you read.

Addiction and abuse are very different things. Pretty much every chemical in your house or shed can be abused in some way (just Google it to find out). That doesn't make them addictive nor must they be avoided. Vyvanse is a stimulant but that effect is limited by the body's ability to process it, particularly in the gut and liver which is where lisdexamfetamine is absorbed. Also, the doses given to the subjects you cited are well above the allowable prescribed levels. In order to experience effects equivalent to immediate release dextroamphetamine, the subject took 150 mg - more than twice the maximum recommended dose. I know from experience that some insurance companies won't reimburse medication costs for doses in excess of 70 mg and if a patient doesn't have significant improvements at 70 mg, it's time to try another product.

Well, DOCTOR. I found these PILLS in my BROTHER'S CAR. He was using them to GET HIGH as he has done with PERCOCET and VICODIN. HE has an ADDICTION issue and he ABUSES prescription pills that he DOES NOT OBTAIN FROM A DOCTOR. He BUYS them from some lowlife who sells the crap to addicts.

I witnessed my brother take TWO 60mg pills and then vomit, shake, sweat, and get sick, but enjoy a small high.

So.... while they are supposedly "high proof" in theory in the "doctor" world, in the addiction/abuse world the reality is much different. It's alarming to me that a physician would argue with someone about whether or not a medication is addictive and abusive when the person reaching out is obviously experiencing an issue with the medication.

Again, my brother is indeed taking these pills for a high. And he is indeed experiencing one, time release or not. And since he didn't purchase the pills from a PHARMACY through his INSURANCE it's moot whether or not his insurance reimburses for the pills, no?

So, again. Addict. Pills. High. Thanks for the help and the argument all knowing physician.

[Anonymous]

totally addictive

[Anonymous]

I asked my daughter pscyhistrist about addiction issues when we started it for adhd basically you can rig high doses of the xtended release for a crappy high if you are desperate but most people that abuse the stuff prefer the fast acting kind. If your brother has these pills and he has drug issues he probably is abusing it some how, but honestly it sounds like he will try and figure out how to abuse anything if he has that big a problem. Your cleaning chemicals could be used just a readily.

[Anonymous]

CAN U SNORT THSES PILLS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CAN U SNORT THSES PILLS

Um, can't you crush and snort ANY pill?

V happen to be CAPSULES, tho. Can you snort a capsule?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I am a doctor and I stand by advice to work with a doctor skilled in prescribing psychostimulants.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking perhaps you were mis-remembering what you'd seen. Instead, I see you exemplify the problems with "research by Google". You don't have sufficient knowledge to understand and evaluate what you read.

Addiction and abuse are very different things. Pretty much every chemical in your house or shed can be abused in some way (just Google it to find out). That doesn't make them addictive nor must they be avoided. Vyvanse is a stimulant but that effect is limited by the body's ability to process it, particularly in the gut and liver which is where lisdexamfetamine is absorbed. Also, the doses given to the subjects you cited are well above the allowable prescribed levels. In order to experience effects equivalent to immediate release dextroamphetamine, the subject took 150 mg - more than twice the maximum recommended dose. I know from experience that some insurance companies won't reimburse medication costs for doses in excess of 70 mg and if a patient doesn't have significant improvements at 70 mg, it's time to try another product.

Well, DOCTOR. I found these PILLS in my BROTHER'S CAR. He was using them to GET HIGH as he has done with PERCOCET and VICODIN. HE has an ADDICTION issue and he ABUSES prescription pills that he DOES NOT OBTAIN FROM A DOCTOR. He BUYS them from some lowlife who sells the crap to addicts.

I witnessed my brother take TWO 60mg pills and then vomit, shake, sweat, and get sick, but enjoy a small high.

So.... while they are supposedly "high proof" in theory in the "doctor" world, in the addiction/abuse world the reality is much different. It's alarming to me that a physician would argue with someone about whether or not a medication is addictive and abusive when the person reaching out is obviously experiencing an issue with the medication.

Again, my brother is indeed taking these pills for a high. And he is indeed experiencing one, time release or not. And since he didn't purchase the pills from a PHARMACY through his INSURANCE it's moot whether or not his insurance reimburses for the pills, no?

So, again. Addict. Pills. High. Thanks for the help and the argument all knowing physician.

Maybe some ADHD medication would help you concentrate on what you read. The doctor was very articulate but you still don't understand what she's saying. Besides, if your brother is so fucked up that he's willing to endure the "vomit, shake, sweat, and get sick" just to enjoy the small high he can get from a massive dose of a time release stimulant, I don't know why you even bothered posting in the first place. You should be suspicious of whatever he has in his possesion even if it's as innocuous as aspirin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would be suspicious.

My son takes 40 mg daily for ADHD. The drug is in a protected class which requires us to get a new written prescription each month and hand carry to pharmacy. No refills. No call-ins by the doc. No pharmacy calls to the doc., etc. And the drugs are kept in a locked safe.

The two major side effects we notice are sleeplessness and major appetite suppression. It can also cause psychotic symptoms. So, if your friend wants to stay up late and lose weight...perhaps.

There is the black box warning however that states misuse of amphetamines may cause sudden death and serious card events..

That sounds like a real safe thing to give a growing child.

[Anonymous]

Any sexual side effects?

[Anonymous]

It's incredibly useful as a study aid. if it's short term, there usually isn't any major side effects. most university students have taken some type of stimulant over their degree. not sure why everyone is losing their shit.

[Anonymous]

My sister amused this. It made her turn into a psycho.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I am a doctor and I stand by advice to work with a doctor skilled in prescribing psychostimulants.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking perhaps you were mis-remembering what you'd seen. Instead, I see you exemplify the problems with "research by Google". You don't have sufficient knowledge to understand and evaluate what you read.

Addiction and abuse are very different things. Pretty much every chemical in your house or shed can be abused in some way (just Google it to find out). That doesn't make them addictive nor must they be avoided. Vyvanse is a stimulant but that effect is limited by the body's ability to process it, particularly in the gut and liver which is where lisdexamfetamine is absorbed. Also, the doses given to the subjects you cited are well above the allowable prescribed levels. In order to experience effects equivalent to immediate release dextroamphetamine, the subject took 150 mg - more than twice the maximum recommended dose. I know from experience that some insurance companies won't reimburse medication costs for doses in excess of 70 mg and if a patient doesn't have significant improvements at 70 mg, it's time to try another product.

Well, DOCTOR. I found these PILLS in my BROTHER'S CAR. He was using them to GET HIGH as he has done with PERCOCET and VICODIN. HE has an ADDICTION issue and he ABUSES prescription pills that he DOES NOT OBTAIN FROM A DOCTOR. He BUYS them from some lowlife who sells the crap to addicts.

I witnessed my brother take TWO 60mg pills and then vomit, shake, sweat, and get sick, but enjoy a small high.

So.... while they are supposedly "high proof" in theory in the "doctor" world, in the addiction/abuse world the reality is much different. It's alarming to me that a physician would argue with someone about whether or not a medication is addictive and abusive when the person reaching out is obviously experiencing an issue with the medication.

Again, my brother is indeed taking these pills for a high. And he is indeed experiencing one, time release or not. And since he didn't purchase the pills from a PHARMACY through his INSURANCE it's moot whether or not his insurance reimburses for the pills, no?

So, again. Addict. Pills. High. Thanks for the help and the argument all knowing physician.

Maybe some ADHD medication would help you concentrate on what you read. The doctor was very articulate but you still don't understand what she's saying. Besides, if your brother is so fucked up that he's willing to endure the "vomit, shake, sweat, and get sick" just to enjoy the small high he can get from a massive dose of a time release stimulant, I don't know why you even bothered posting in the first place. You should be suspicious of whatever he has in his possesion even if it's as innocuous as aspirin.

I agree with the OP. The "doctor" gave no useful additional information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, I am a doctor and I stand by advice to work with a doctor skilled in prescribing psychostimulants.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking perhaps you were mis-remembering what you'd seen. Instead, I see you exemplify the problems with "research by Google". You don't have sufficient knowledge to understand and evaluate what you read.

Addiction and abuse are very different things. Pretty much every chemical in your house or shed can be abused in some way (just Google it to find out). That doesn't make them addictive nor must they be avoided. Vyvanse is a stimulant but that effect is limited by the body's ability to process it, particularly in the gut and liver which is where lisdexamfetamine is absorbed. Also, the doses given to the subjects you cited are well above the allowable prescribed levels. In order to experience effects equivalent to immediate release dextroamphetamine, the subject took 150 mg - more than twice the maximum recommended dose. I know from experience that some insurance companies won't reimburse medication costs for doses in excess of 70 mg and if a patient doesn't have significant improvements at 70 mg, it's time to try another product.

Well, DOCTOR. I found these PILLS in my BROTHER'S CAR. He was using them to GET HIGH as he has done with PERCOCET and VICODIN. HE has an ADDICTION issue and he ABUSES prescription pills that he DOES NOT OBTAIN FROM A DOCTOR. He BUYS them from some lowlife who sells the crap to addicts.

I witnessed my brother take TWO 60mg pills and then vomit, shake, sweat, and get sick, but enjoy a small high.

So.... while they are supposedly "high proof" in theory in the "doctor" world, in the addiction/abuse world the reality is much different. It's alarming to me that a physician would argue with someone about whether or not a medication is addictive and abusive when the person reaching out is obviously experiencing an issue with the medication.

Again, my brother is indeed taking these pills for a high. And he is indeed experiencing one, time release or not. And since he didn't purchase the pills from a PHARMACY through his INSURANCE it's moot whether or not his insurance reimburses for the pills, no?

So, again. Addict. Pills. High. Thanks for the help and the argument all knowing physician.

Maybe some ADHD medication would help you concentrate on what you read. The doctor was very articulate but you still don't understand what she's saying. Besides, if your brother is so fucked up that he's willing to endure the "vomit, shake, sweat, and get sick" just to enjoy the small high he can get from a massive dose of a time release stimulant, I don't know why you even bothered posting in the first place. You should be suspicious of whatever he has in his possesion even if it's as innocuous as aspirin.

I agree with the OP. The "doctor" gave no useful additional information.

This is because you are not particularly educated or perhaps just not all that bright. The doctor clarified the difference between addiction and abuse and discussed why this wouldn't be a good choice for a drug addict looking to get high.

Of course it can be abused, that's why it's Class II, and plenty of people misuse it for extra concentration and performance at work or school (and possibly to counteract the effects of an opiate addiction, I would think).

[Anonymous]

If he got that sick after taking it, it is probably because it reacted with something else he had taken already. They do take some time to work. My son takes them in the morning and it takes an hour or so for me to see that it is working. They last a good 12 hours so if you want a quick high, this isn't the medication that will give it to you. I know some kids sell theirs especially in HS and college so they can focus while studying. Also, look up a description of the capsule. It's possible that the pill he was taking wasn't actually Vyvanse but just in that bottle.

[Anonymous]

The reason they got sick is possibly a number of things, but the one thing that jumped out at me was that this person took 2 60 mg pills when a max dose is 1 60 mg pill. Clearly abuse by taking a double dose.