The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/25/the-wisconsin-lie-exposed-taxpayers-actually-contribute-nothing-to-public-employee-pensions


Governor Walker insists he wants state workers to "contribute more" to their pensions. He is making it sound as though state workers have cushy retirement benefits, paid for by taxpayers. But this article shows that state workers fund their retirement out of their own salaries.

"Their entire salary is taxpayer money" So whether you state that is the employees who fund is false. I contribute to the whole compensation package and there for pay for their pension. I also need to pay additional as a taxpayer when the pension fund comes up short for the guaranteed pension checks. That fund has taken a dive just like everyone's investment in the market.

[Anonymous]

"Their entire salary is taxpayer money" So whether you state that is the employees who fund is false. I contribute to the whole compensation package and there for pay for their pension. I also need to pay additional as a taxpayer when the pension fund comes up short for the guaranteed pension checks. That fund has taken a dive just like everyone's investment in the market.

yes you have to pay people. If you reduce pensions you will have to increase salaries. What is your point, no one is getting rich as a state employee.
I know, lets not pay them. We can become like other third world countries. the police see you drive a nice car, pull them over and get a bribe, want a state contract, got to pay to play, want that court case decided in your favor, pay for it, you want your kid to graduate, better pay up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Their entire salary is taxpayer money" So whether you state that is the employees who fund is false. I contribute to the whole compensation package and there for pay for their pension. I also need to pay additional as a taxpayer when the pension fund comes up short for the guaranteed pension checks. That fund has taken a dive just like everyone's investment in the market.

yes you have to pay people. If you reduce pensions you will have to increase salaries. What is your point, no one is getting rich as a state employee.
I know, lets not pay them. We can become like other third world countries. the police see you drive a nice car, pull them over and get a bribe, want a state contract, got to pay to play, want that court case decided in your favor, pay for it, you want your kid to graduate, better pay up.

youre nutz. people in the private sector make way less and they dont bribe people. fire them all, im sick of the bellyaching.

[Anonymous]

I can never understand the bitching and moaning about pension packages--for public or private employees. They're negotiated fucking compensation. Management agrees to it so they can get cheaper labor today and defer costs until tomorrow.

If I get a plumber to come do work for me, and we agree I'll pay him half now and half a week from now, I don't start bitching about how he's trying to cheat me for trying to collect the second half.

[Anonymous]

I guess it doesn't have to make sense. The Politics of Resentment feed on folks' gut prejudices. You need only read the PP. He doesn't care what was promised; he's just sick of the bellyaching. (My irony meter just shit the bed.)

[Anonymous]

What amazes me is how successfully the blame's been put on the public unions when the real blame should be on the politicians that agreed to these packages which are simply unaffordable.

Regardless of them being agreed, they are very clearly not sustainable and we can't just keep hiking taxes indefinitely to keep funding them. What turns me off from many of the unions is the position that they prefer that people get fired (i.e. those more recently hired of course) rather than spreading the pain out across the board through furloughs or other reductions for all that mean no one needs to lose their job entirely.

[Anonymous]

Notice how none of the elected officals pension are on the table