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"Money for Nothing" Banned in Canada
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Anonymous
| That name is very offensive actually, as is the word Eskimo. I cringe whenever I see kids toys in the US (such as blocks etc) and for 'E' they write: eskimo. it's also a cultural thing, because in Canada you can't even say the word 'Native Americans' without being tarred and feathered, we have to say 'First Nations People'. |
Anonymous
Well clearly no one suggests that hate speech should be on the radio. The singer is ridiculing the characters in the song for their narrow-mindedness. No reasonable interpretation of the song suggests that Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits advocates gay slurs. The main point of this thread is to discuss whether offensive words can be used when they illustrate bigotry. |
Anonymous
| I understand that, I'm just saying in any form, you can't use words like that in Canada, because it's considered 'hate'. It's a different society and unless you live there you really can't understand. Re; The Redskins, Edmonton has a football team called the 'Eskimos' and every years it's a big scandal to change the name. |
Anonymous
Do you mean that you cannot have a character say a hate word in a book, play, or movie, even if tit is part of a character's personality? |
Anonymous
Wait I just looked up Huckleberry Finn on Amazon.ca, and there it is with the N word. So what you are saying is not really true. Artists are able to use a hate word as part of a work of fiction. So what makes the song's use of the F word different? |
Anonymous
| I didn't make the rule, maybe Huckleberry Finn is next, who knows. Canada is a very peaceful country, and if political correctness goes too far sometimes to keep the peace, oh well. Why do you even care? Just because you have free speech and can say whatever you want in the US doesn't make it right. Hate laws are in place to protect groups of people in Canada, and that includes the gay community. You'd never see anything like Ann Coulter or the Westboro Baptist church up north, because they would be in jail. |
Anonymous
Well these laws don't say that the mere publication of such a word violates the law. The speech must "advocate" or "promote" such hatred. And there are lots of exceptions under section 319. So I don't see how it applies to an artistic work depicting a fictional character. |
Anonymous
Are you Canadian? Did you write the laws of Canada? Do you hear the Canadian Prime Minister saying this ban is wrong? No. In Canada, inciting hatred against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offence under the Criminal Code of Canada with maximum prison terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation. Why do you care so much about this? Go find something else to complain about, because you really don't know what you're talking about. Anyways, the majority of Canadians think the ban is stupid, but it's the law. The ban happened because a radio listener called and complained about the song. |
Anonymous
I can read the link you sent, and there are specific tests that must be met to qualify something under section 319. It is hardly "willful promotion of hatred". I can also see from the press that the decision was not made by the government based on the hate propaganda law, but by the non-government Canadian Broadcast Standards Council based on their code of ethics. What's more, the CRTC has asked them to take another look at the decision. And I care because there are legitimate free speech issues. It seems unreasonable that a person cannot create a fictional character who uses a slur, when the point of the character is to illustrate the ignorance of their words. And don't tell me I can't care about civil liberties in Canada. I'm sure you have opinions on Egypt or China or the U.S. |
Anonymous
| You are ridiculous. The reason the CBSC objects is exactly because of the Canadian charter of human rights and freedoms. YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE of Americans trying to act like the world police, sticking their nose where it doesn't belong! Why not go and waste some time starting a war and looking for weapons of mass destruction.. Oh wait, I guess you were wrong about that too. You have no idea what you are talking about. |
Anonymous
| Whatever guys casual gay basing and racism is wrong. Americans are very wedded to their hate language. They hide behind "artistic freedom", etc. But just because something was once considered culturally acceptable, that does not mean we should continue to condone it. It creates an atmosphere where gay-bashing ideas can thrive. We need to be a sensitive culture-the song ridicules gays - take out the offending language. Done. It's not like it's Dixie or anything. Oh yeah, never mind. "Darkie" is funny to frat boys and idiots, leave it in. |
Anonymous
| I think it is harder to get certain words out of usage partly because the very people who are targeted use it. LGBTs who use the F, D and T words and AAs who use the N word. |
Anonymous
Thank you for this. |
Anonymous
CBSC objects based on their code of ethics. The Prime Minister says it is a private organization's matter and as such he won't comment any more on it. So your contention that this is a matter of the law is not established. As for your "sticking their nose where it doesn't belong" comment, I am betting you have plenty of opinions about other countries and their civil rights. China, Egypt, the US, Russia. No one likes the focus turned on them. You keep saying I have no idea what I am talking about, and yet you misrepresent your own laws. Crazy. The words are right there in front of you. What part of "Willful promotion of hatred" do you not understand? The law is right here for you to read: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-46/page-6.html |